Elite Four Showdown: Kalos

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Greetings Junglers, Evan here! Once again I’m bringing you the Elite Four Showdown. But first: the winner of last time. It’s Caitlin! She won with 37% of the votes. She’s followed by Grimsley (32%), Shauntal (21%) and Marshal (10%).

Black_White_Caitlin

And now: the last region for this Showdown. Pick your favorite and let us know who it is in the comments below!

MalvaXY_Malva

  • Top right encounter
  • Fire
  • Pyroar, Torkoal, Chandelure and Talonflame
  • Name: Malva (a flower genus) or lava
  • Trivia: She is the only Elite Four member who is part of an villainous team.

SieboldXY_Siebold

  • Bottom right encounter
  • Water
  • Clawitzer, Gyarados, Starmie and Barbaracle
  • Name: Siebold’s crabapple and sea
  • Trivia: Siebold is also a famous chef.

WikstromXY_Wikstrom

  • Top left encounter
  • Steel
  • Klefki, Probopass, Scizor and Aegislash
  • Name: Wikstroemia (a tree genus)
  • Trivia: Wikstrom is the first Elite Four member who appears in a Pokémon movie.

DrasnaXY_Drasna

  • Bottom left encounter
  • Dragon
  • Dragalge, Druddigon, Altaria and Noivern
  • Name: Dracaena (a tree genus) and dragon
  • Trivia: Drasna’s grandparents were from Sinnoh and taught her the myths of Dialga and Palkia, which inspired her to become a Dragon-type specialist.

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1,323 thoughts on “Elite Four Showdown: Kalos”

  1. They were all very forgettable, the weakest elite four, in both memorability and strength itself. Plus it was extremely lazy to not have higher levels post game, they even kept only four Pokemon.

    But that’s just Gen 6 for ya.

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  8. Drasna, she has a really cool personality which some may see as contrary to her type (and I’m a sucker for that type of character) and I love the detail of why she chose to train the Dragon Type. In like 2025 I’m going to be dissatisfied if she doesn’t have a Drampa in her rematches.

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  9. I’ll go with Drasna because she had the most personality out of the 4, the others were just assholes (looking at you Siebold) or lacked severely in personality

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  11. For once, I’m with the seemingly popular choice. Super strange, never thought Drasna would be popular.
    But yeah, love her sweet, kind personality that conflicts with her typing, like Fairy said, but I think it makes it more relatable and human that way. There’s a harsh, rough side to dragons, but at the same time, as Drasna embodies, dragons can be wise and kind. And I love her design/room design. Looks very relaxing when I first stepped into her room.

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    • Exactly!
      Besides, I think she is the only E4 member who says something to you when you leave!
      I feel like shes a grandma who would bake you a plate of Lava Cookies

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    • Me neither! I like how she is the most popular (for now at least). She is my 2nd favorite E4-member, just behind Grimsley. I’m glad my favorite may finally win this time.

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  15. Wow, the poll results are really not reflected in the comments, I haven’t seen anyone voting for Malva besides me but she’s second majority in the poll.

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  16. Hey guys……guess what…………….3 MORE DAYS AND WE GET TO PLAY THE SUN AND MOON DEMO!!!!! Sorry for the caps…….just got really excited for a moment hahaha

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  21. I pick Drasna first, Malva second. I love the way Drasna acts, I have fought her many times in the Battle Chateau for training, she has a strong team. She also has this cool Dragon Tribe design going on. Malva is second because I like her sub-plot and her team, also she’s pretty (not as hot as Flannery though 😛 ).

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  22. What generation do you guys think did a great job of highlighting types?
    – Generation 5 had the best Bug-types from Scolipede, Leavanny, Volcorona, Accelgor, to Escavalier
    – Generation 7 so far has some of the best Grass-types with Rowlet3, Lurantis, and Tseerina
    – Generation 6 has really cool Fairy-types from Sylveon, Klefki, Diancie, to Florges
    – Generation 3 had really good water-types from Gorbyss, Milotic, Swampert, Ludicolo, and a lot more
    – Generation 4 had awesome Normal-types including Lopunny, Glameow, Porygon-Z, to Lickilicky

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    • Gen 4 had the best selection of ground types
      Torterra
      Hippowdon
      Gastrodon
      Gliscor
      Mamoswine
      garchomp
      And my King of the Earth: Rhyperior

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    • I think Gen 6 had stellar Dragon types, they really broke the mold after Gen V played its Dragons too safe. Pokémon Dragons have always been wild and whacky (yet logical) since Gen II (a sea horse, with the next Gen giving a antlion, a bird, then Gen IV with a shark) but all of Gen V’s were just so bland imo.

      I mean we got a snail, a bat, a t-rex, and a whole different sea horse along with a flatworm snake thing 😀

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  23. I was thinking, what if Ribombee got a Kamen Rider-esque 3rd stage, I can imagine it with that scarf flowing in a superhero pose.

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  24. I don’t quite understand how the relatively bland Caitlin won over pretty much the best E4 of all time, Grimsley (My opinion obvs), y’all weird.

    Voting for Drasna, and yay she’s winning for the mo, though that’s exactly the pattern grimsley followed so I’m gonna ignore it because otherwise I’m gonna have to watch some other bore take her crown like Caitlin did to Grimsley.

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  25. I voted for Drasna because she deserves more love. She’s the only Elite 4 member from Kalos who hasn’t made an appearance:
    – Wikstorm had a movie appearance
    – Siebold had an episode to himself and Alan
    – Malva was in multiple episodes during the Flare Arc and after

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  28. I actually don’t mind data mines or leaks because:
    1. I have more fun going in knowing everything as opposed to going blind
    2. I went in playing Black and White knowing 100% of almost everything yet the story, the compelling characters, the twists and turns of the mechanics and the overall theme still made it seem 101% fresh
    3. My rule is: Even if you think you know, you don’t know because no matter how linear and straightforward Pokemon may be, I don’t play to be wowed away by the story or the difficulty; I play to have a good time, train some Pocket Monsters, and become the very best like no one ever was

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    • 1. I’ve never played a Pokemon game blindly, so I want to know what it’s like to go onto a route and find a completely new Pokemon, it’s going to be so interesting. Plus the story has too much to spoil at this point.
      2. Not much to say on this.
      3. I don’t know what you mean by this honestly.

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          • It means you can spoil the whole game for yourself beforehand, but when you actually play it, the experience and atmosphere is still fresh. As I said before, I don’t play a Pokemon game for the story or difficulty, rather for the Pokemon, characters, and region itself. So it doesn’t harm me much when I spoil the story for myself.

    • Ew they look awful (the Pokemon don’t look different). I’m really hating this anime so far, hopefully this is a one-off type thing and gen 8 returns to normal.

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      • It’s meant to be observed in motion. The style sacrifices looking better and more fluid in animation by looking worse in stills. And anime is animated, so it makes sense to have something that looks better in motion than in stills.

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        • It STILL looks bad when it’s in motion though. Ash’s Design is the worst of all. His hair us not mrant to be so round the little black “lightning bolts” of sorts on his face are now blunt and curvy. This animation style just isn’t right imo.

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    • The Pokémon look good, as they used to, but I hate how the hair on human characters is so round at the tips. Also the facial features used to look so good. This could only be a demotion.

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  30. These go Drasna>Wilkstrom>Siebold>Malva for me. Despite being well designed Gym leaders or E4 rarely leave enough of an impression on me that I can tally them, but for some reason in this case I can.
    The first two are honestly just more interesting design wise and idea wise, except of course Malva’s who’s probably one of the most developed and interesting E4 ever idea wise (especially outside the games, where she’s reduced to being hissy at you).
    (That said she’s more interesting in the manga where she’s uncompromisingly a badass bad guy as opposed to her sudden anime heel-face turn that sort of came out of nowhere)
    However, despite loving the idea of a high-ranking member of the evil team being part of the E4, I don’t really like her design or her bratty and vindictive personality, so she gets last :p .

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      • Honestly I did not spend that much time in the battle maison ever. I even forgot my ranking…Viscount? All I ever got was just the random npc. I knew gym leaders showed up once in a while, but I never knew the elite 4 came to the chateau too!

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        • I can’t remember if you have to get your rank up to Grand Duke to get the elite 4 and champion. With the Black writ their ‘mon are level 70 and Diantha’s are 80. It’s a bit harder, depending on the level of your ‘mons.

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          • I might end up transfering one of my shiny teams back to X before Sun&Moon come out just out of curiosity of upgrading the Battle Chateau. I’m always up for fighting the gym leaders again

  38. Drasna! Besides of her awesome sense of fashion (those dragon claw heels mmm), her nice vibe, and the backstory of how she got into the dragon types, she’s actually one of the very little major older women character in the whole Pokemon series.

    There are many grandpa or older male characters but not enough grandma characters or just older ladies that looks like above 30 years old. These type of character are seriously lacking in the whole franchise and I’m just glad Drasna is one representation of those type of character (and I hope at least one of the unrevealed Kahuna in SuMo will also be one).

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  43. Okay so it seems Turtonator and Drampa are version exclusives. That sucks! I really wanna use Drampa in my first play through but I’m getting Sun 🙁

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  45. Huh? I’m pretty surprised that many of you guys like Drasna the most. However, I’m going with Malva this time, even though I love both of them. I honestly loved her personality xD

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  56. Can we all just appreciate all the little details Sun and Moon has like certain trainers (Team Skull Grunts, Olivia and Plumeria so far) using non-standard Poké Balls? It’s overall inconsequential but it adds a little bit of life into the franchise because now it doesn’t looks the sole buyer of other Poké Balls is your character.

    I really hope a trainer catches Lunala/Solgaleo and we have to fight them (like a Kahuna or the ‘Island Challenge Champion’/whatever they’re called) just so we can see it come out a Master Ball and get a taste of our own medicine.

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  57. From the box art I can see Popplio Hp being 42 at level 14, while Rowlet Hp being 50 at lv 16 (but I’m not sure about this one). Both pretty high, right?

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  59. I posted this question in a previous article but it was ignored:
    How likely do you think it will be that dateminers will find all the game’s information? Do you suppose GF learned from their mistakes and didn’t put the whole game’s coding in the demo?

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    • Short answers: quite likely honestly (if the second question is no) and the second question is up to you. I personally don’t think they did.

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    • people claim that GF learns from their mistakes but every single generation they always have someone who leaks important information from the games. So no, i do not think that GF learns from mistake, heck they probably didnt even try to do something about it

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    • Well how about this: Will paying the money for extra man hours dedicated towards removing final game data from the demo result in additional sales that cover or exceed the costs of the extra man hours?

      Extrapolate your own answer from there.

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        • well if we learned something from him is that he sure knows some details, he has proven himself the last couple months

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        • For a few things, yes. I’m just going to disregard him now. If he was putting false info in there he should’ve told us BEFORE we found out. Now he just looks like a sketchy fool.

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          • Well the list he gave us the other day regarding how many of each type/how many evos some pokemon have was partially incorrect. Not cool, imo.

          • Actually that in of itself was proves slightly off, as someone pointed out that the numbers they posted and the numbers the translator posted were different. So who knows.

          • I’m still wary of this guy…partially because I feel like his riddles don’t really amount to much. We make the connections after we find stuff out officially so it’s not like he’s telling us anything substantial.

          • Perhaps, but I”d argue that by giving us hints, it allows us to speculate and question what the pokemon could be. Its the difference of saying nothing and showing us a silhouette of a pokemon. The silhouette at least gives us a vague idea of what the pokemon could be, which is better then nothing and points us in the right direction, even if their unclear.

            But I get it. Not everyone’s going to like the leaker’s style. Personally I do since it does spring discussion as to what kinds of new pokemon we could see, but its cool.

    • if we can believe this this probably means that “marshadow” is event only (placement wise) and the third of the trio (box legends + ??) is some guy.. Aristoteles? Zeus? idk..

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      • Aristotle. Pretty much the founder of the concept of the five stages of matter, being solid, liquid, gas, plasma, and Aether.

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    • Honestly, screw the riddler. He’s an arrogant leaker who holds his knowledge over the internet on a string and probably loves every second of it. However, this list did remind me how excited I am to see what the other island guardians look like! Especially the one depicted in the Mysterious Souvenir. The fact that GF teased that Pokémon all the way back in X/Y must mean there’s something special about it!

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        • Part of me wants to believe that. But then he posts BS hints like the mace that VAGUELY resembles the tail of Kommo-o’s tail, or four possible pictures that resemble what Salandit’s evolution looks like.

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          • While it does look vaguely like it, I would see it as a bigger hint of the scales making a sound, and having an attack based around it. if you’ve ever tried to walk with one of those staffs, the metal rings bounce around and make a klanging sound, much like Komoo-o’s scales do, so its kind of cleaver in a sense.

        • No he seems like kind of a jerk and apparently would prefer if people outside of China wouldn’t follow his leaks. It’s an odd situation he has. That said I don’t think he’s arrogant because he leaks in riddles or anything. It’s not about how he “dangles the info” more so how he represents himself when talking to others outside of his regular leaking.

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          • So he’s like most of the people of Asia; generally holding a distaste for westerners? I wouldn’t say that he’s so much a jerk as they come from a crappy culture. But that’s semantics I suppose.

    • So honest guesses to the new info:

      Tucan pokemon. We all kind of assumed it, so that easy.

      Firey thing. To me it looks like some plasma from the sun. So maybe some sort of sun/plasma pokemon. Probably a fire or steel type? Its a hard guess.

      marshadow appears to be based off of some consolation, tough I couldn’t find any that it exactly looks like. Its shape looks like the Z-bracelet’s symbol, so perhaps that’s a hint?

      The red x. I’m not certain what it could mean really. The character looks kind of like 关闭, which means closed. I not certain what that could mean. Perhaps saying those are the only UB’s, or perhaps something that closes things off? Like a ub that can disable things? I don’t know, their’s too much you can guess.

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  66. gladion theme reminds me of another theme but i just cant put my finger on ( i thought hugh but they are not the same)

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  67. I think I’ll run an RPG/Fantasy team for Pokemon Moon:
    – Rowlet3: the ranger, archer, etc…
    – Lurantis: the princely knight/king
    – Tsareena: the princess/Queen
    – Kommo-o: the fighter/martial artist
    – ???: priest/healer/magician
    – ???: warrior

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  69. I actually retract my statement of Komala being the most forgettable pokemon. I’m gonna have to go with Togedemaru. I completely forgot about that bland pikaclone. I couldn’t even remember its name for a second and had to check its typing.

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      • Literally from Type Null’s description: “It’s extremely heavy, so it also serves to hinder Type: Null’s agility” :p
        It all makes perfect sense, it’s just a bit weird to get an evolution that feels more like a form change.

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  77. I really wish they’d given Malva a bigger role to play. As a team flare member, she could’ve been very useful to plot and might’ve added a different perspective on Flare’s philosophy

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    • I miss Itoi.
      Mother was a good series, even if it was completely weird.

      Then again, I dread to think what kind of pokemon he’d want.

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      • I want to see what he would do. I wouldn’t want him in charge of the whole series, just have him do one game.

        I actually wish some of Earthbounds mechanics were in Pokémon though. When the first gameplay trailer was shown I didn’t see any grass and I thought Pokémon were seeable in the over world like in Mother. I like that so much more than random encounters

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        • If you’re praying for magypsies and kissing fishmen, they wouldn’t let him go that crazy.

          I wouldn’t mind some of the sunflower fields, dinosaur attack, and salsa’s storyline though.

          I’m half and half on that because it would mean exiting the area to generate more pokemon. It would be nice to have some kind of sneak mechanic or something.

          One upon a time (back in the good old days of sprites) I thought about having battles with the player and pokemon overworld sprites on the overworld and having the attack graphics on the overworld. Sort of like pokemon mystery dungeon in a way.

          (I’d draw the line at quicktime events though, I like pokemon being lazy and pure stats and strategy.)

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          • Same, never really understood the fuss tbh. Seems to have a lot of problems too from what I hear. I have also heard some good stuff being done through it but it is outweighed by the bad.

          • I just don’t like how everyone uses it for everything, same as facebook.

            “Oh no, we couldn’t be bothered to set up a professional website to sell our stuff, we just piggy backed off facebook and twitter”

            “Want more news? Well we don’t have a news website, we a facebook or twitter account and use that instead”

          • Websites and web design do cost money, for some smaller businesses they provide a valuable platform for free.

          • Yeah, but using facebook and twitter isolates customers who don’t want to use those and puts web designers out of business, just like how not providing a phone service isolates much of the older generations.

            As much as web devs annoy me, I appreaciate that their job is quite hard and they deserve the money. Heck, anyone willing to put up with that monstrocity known as Javascript deserves money.

          • Using the internet at all isolates some potential customers. I do think if a company can afford it they should have their own site, but then you also have to think about how to get people to know you have a site, which brings it back to social media sites.

          • Yeah, but you can use other things along side it like the phone service I mentioned (and I mean actual phone calls, not texting or ‘apps’).

            Social media sites wouldn’t work on people like me though who tend not to use the main ones.

            It depends on the product, in many cases they’d be better off targetting specific communities like certain forums. Targeting other places would mean less competition too.

            It’s other stuff too though, like that news example I gave. A company doing news on the television should be able to afford their own website to provide extra news with instead of having to get a 3rd party company like facebook involved.

  89. New preview of the anime:
    – Ash, Delia, Mr.Mime, and the others all head to Alola
    – Ash is enrolled in the Pokemon School
    – Professor Samuel Oak is just as cringe-worthy as Oak, but even more so
    – Professor Kukui is just as hot if not hotter
    – Mallow seems like a GOOD mix of Misty and Iris: strong, independent, Ash-like, and competent
    – Ash seems just as competent as ever, but with more character which I love

    https://youtu.be/ciCv2_2KJIg?t=1m48s

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          • its stale, we had it for 3 generations in a row, when we could have gotten something unique. the problem with it, though, is that all fire starters from gen 3 onward (with the exception of delphox, which is why its my favorite fire starter) are big, burly brawler rough and toughlooking pokemon. I want something sleek, majestic, beautiful.

          • I liked Blazekin and Infernape, as long as they’re good designs and concepts I don’t mind, but the wrestler is disgusting.

          • I don’t think they look bad, I just think the concept is getting stale. Delphox was clearly a mage, someone that uses their mind instead of their muscle. it was a nice change of pace.

          • And then we got Fire/Psychic and everyone complained about that.

            Besides, we’ve had 3 pure water types and 3 pure grass types and nobody complains about them.

            Blaziken isn’t burly, it’s lanky, same as Infernape. Only Tony and Emboar are muscular. Most of the final forms of the starters look tough.

            There’s never been a sleek, majestic fire starter and there probably won’t be since those things don’t often go with fire.

          • A type isn’t everything: people didn’t complain at the lack of the fighting type, they complained at the bad design.

          • I liked the design, but the point is they tried to do something different and people still got upset. It’s like the fire starter is doomed to be disliked.

          • I loved delphox. everyone complained for… well I don’t really know. If we are talking about fire starters, yeah, they look tough. pokemon like meganium, serperior, delphox, and chances are popplio3 aren’t so tough looking though.
            fire isn’t beautiful? look at pokemon like ninetails, rapidash, arcanine, moltres, ho-oh, reshiram, chandelure, pyroar, etc. theres plenty of opportunity for something like beauty in fire.

          • I think all the starters look tough, not just fire ones. Serperior, Meganium, Feraligatr, Blastoise, even the dreaded Samurott.

            There’s a difference between beautiful and ‘sleek and majestic’. I never said they couldn’t be beautiful, but sleek and majestic aren’t really fire traits.

          • that staff was in the shape of Kommo-o’s tail. hes had so many things that are waaaay too close to be considered cold reading.

          • I’m in no way doubting his knowledge on certain things, he definitely has inside info, but he may not know everything.

          • honestly id be surprised if any leaker knew everything. it seems he has way more knowledge on the creatures themselves than features and npcs.

          • Ehh, I said this before, but there is some debate on what he got wrong, manly the type list. It seems that the reddit poster got some of the numbers wrong in the translation, be it typo’s or what. I haven’t gone back to the original list to check, but I wouldn’t hold that against him just yet.

          • Hmm. Well personally I don’t really like the riddler’s leaking method. It’s a bunch of obscure clues that don’t get solved until after the reveal, so what’s the point? Gotta wait for the reveal anyway and then go back and be like ohhhhhh!

          • Exactly, it’s better to just not know anything.

            Espeically the last few times, the thing for Jangmo-o’s evos barely even resembled Jangmo-o’s tail.

          • And it could be said that those who consistently argue against his leaks are those who so desperately want him to be proven a fake who got impossibly lucky.

          • And there’s nobody impartial to break the tie, so the arguments will continue until eternity.

            I don’t contest he got some things right in the early days, but then there was a style shift and things fell apart.

          • I can agree with this: he’s getting things right, but the leaks have gotten more and more vague, even though they still have validity.

          • Agreed. They are getting a bit too hard to determine, though that seems largely because their going into more and more obscure feature of the pokemon to prove their validity, then the obvious things.

            In any case we know that the demo’s going to get data mined in a few days, so We’ll be able to confirm the last of his leaks soon enough.

          • Yeah, I lost interest after the format change. It’s like he’s stopped trying and is just basking in the fleeting fame instead.

            And the latest one is even worse than last time. A spout of fire and a seal marking?

            Plus he keeps changing things around.
            If he’d stuck to just individually teasing pokemon and not trying to ambiguously indicate the pokemon is related so something else like with pyukumuku then I’d be more inclined to take an interest, but at the moment, paying attention to his leeks give me no more insight than ignoring them, hence they are a waste of time.

          • No, but that there “somebody”. It could very well be me, you, or just some random guy. The point is their word isn’t the be-all and end-all — They could still be wrong.

      • I still think it is too, here’s my theory:
        Rowlet:
        – Sun: Continues to be snooty
        – Moon: Archer
        Litten:
        – Sun: Quadraped
        – Moon: Wrestler
        Popplio
        – Sun: Continues to be performer
        – Moon: Siren

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  92. I can’t find the image with the riddler’s pokedex “leaks” from a few days ago. I’ll keep searching but does anyone have it?

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  93. I think these are the worst Elite four members so far. They had potential but Gamefreak decided to give them nothing but a half assed backstory. Another reason that the only thing good to come from x and y was the fossils and wondertrade

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  96. So I was thinking that for a nickname for Silvally I’d use an anagram of Arceus, and I just noticed that “Caesur” is an anagram. It’s not perfect, but it’s close enough. xD

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      • Definitely! I appreciate all the help ^_^ I varied it, I didn’t want one team to go through too much and have counters eventually coming. So for like 5-7 battles I would use Durant, Cloyster, Khan, then switch it around to Durant, Talonflame, M-Gyarados, and then switch around again to Durant, Cloyster, M-Blaziken. But for the home stretch, I really wanted to get the Chatelaine Ribbon on my 3rd Shiny Altaria, so for 40-50, I used Durant, Talonflame, and Mega Altaria, resting my hope in it xD And damn in one battle did it hold on with 6 HP after the opposing Steelix held on with Sturdy 😀

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        • oh I’m so happy for you! mega altaria is my baby. I love her, shes my favorite mega evolution but mines normal (I like the color better). how did you train yours?

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          • It’s my baby as well! 😀 <3 Favorite Pokemon of all time, I bred 3 Shiny ones each different competitively (I'm the opposite, I like the shiny better haha xD) Swagold (Calm nature) was my first bred, and she was also the first to obtain that ribbon. Next I bred Altair (Modest nature and was also breeding for HP Ground, and luckily that worked out perfect!), and she was the second to obtain the ribbon. So last up I bred Shen (Impish King DDD set up), and now he has the ribbon as well ^_^

          • Alltareeuh is an impish nature, perfect IV’s with 252 evs in hp and sp.def (the rest of my team has access to burn and intimidate to patch up that def.) she knows Dragon Dance, Roost, Return, and Earthquake

          • I forget how I EV trained my Impish one, but my moveset is the same with one exception! I gave him Facade instead of Return!

  98. Most desired feature for G6:
    YYYY/MM/DD date format so I don’t have to stop and think “am I looking at the month or the day?”.

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  101. Hey I am having difficulty thinking of what I should name the Alola Muk that I will be running on my team. Any tips would be helpful.

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          • Eddard Stark will always be my favorite character. after him, its a toss up between so many. I love jon, Jamie, Jorah, Danaerys, Malisandre, Tyrion, Davos, I could go on and on…

          • Brienne is my favorite. But I also like Bran, Jaime, Melisandre, Ser Barristan Selmy, The Hound, Daenerys, Varys

            Have you read the books?

          • well, I have all of them…. I’m not much of a reader but I’m making my way through them. I finished the first and am making my way through the second. its very similar to the show (at least the first book was) so I kinda have a “already been through this” mentality toward it. I’m sure it deviates a lot more later.

          • Oh yeah. Notably the fourth and fifth books. Hence why I didn’t like season 5 too much. Everything about Dorne sucks in the show and so pissed they killed off Baristan Selmy.

          • I think its good to deviate though, that way fans of the series don’t get the same thing twice. its why I like the walking dead as much as I do, or I probably would have stopped watching awhile ago.

          • I like WD, but some changes have made me angry. Mainly Andrea. She’s so badass and awesome in the comics. Show Andrea is awful! At least Carol is cool in the show.

          • ugh not in the latest season. they completely ruined her personality….. I loved her in the other seasons. carol I mean not andrea.

          • She was great until Morgan came along…okay but her episode where she liked merc’d all of the wolves was badass. The Grove will always be my favorite episode though.

          • yes it was. I hate that morgan is the was he is. he says “i didn’t kill the wolf, so when he forced denise out into the hoard and they almost got kiled, he saved her, who saved carl” or, you know, you could have just skipped the whole “forcing her into danger” part. morgan is so irritating. I’m so excited to see if they stil have negan offing glen, or if they changed it.

          • Still mad they blue ballsed us like that…glenn kinda needs to die though. Maggie has to go to in a different direction

  107. Thanks everyone for helping me out with thinking of a name for my Alola Muk. I think I will go with Chromacandy. Chroma is Greek for color and candy due to the rock crystals scattered through its body.

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  108. ok guys, not enough conversation going on here.
    so far, what is your… 2 favorite pokemon revealed for the 7th generation?
    1: Bewear, love this guy, so wonderful! my 2 favorite types to boot
    2: Ninetails, the alolan variant is so gorgeous, it was a must for me as soon as it was revealed.

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    • It would be Mimikyu and Tsareena (entire evolutionary line). I think I would have liked them based on appearance, typing, and ability alone. (That is true for a lot of the Pokémon this generation). What really sold me were their backstories.

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    • Can’t do just 2.
      – Komala
      – Dartrix
      – Ribombee
      – Lurantis
      – Tsareena
      – Oricorio (Baille)
      – Mudsdale
      – Morelull
      – Exeggcutor
      – Oranguru
      – Bewear
      – Meowth
      – Lycanroc (Midday)
      – Pikipek

      That’s not an absolute ordering either, I’d struggle to order them.

      (Anything I didn’t list I have some issues or reservations about or might outright hate)

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        • It’s not yet one of my favourites and I’m not going to give it any accolade until I’ve actually played it, but so far it’s introduced some pokemon I really like (as well as ones I really hate, more than G6 did).

          Desparately praying that if Komala evolves they’ll get it right, losing Komala would be the worst possible thing to happen. If Komala stays or gets a good evo I will put up with whatever horrible stuff they do with the UBs.

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    • oh god only 2? hum then let’s go with

      1: WISHIWASHIIIIII : I just love screaming it. GET READY TO GET SCHOOLED ON!
      2: Rowlet: I believe at least 1 starter should be here. Rowlet and his evolutions are just too cool. I’ve been going with Water starters every gen but this time I just had to get this lil guy!

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  110. Hey Fairy if your out there I did hatch those Dratini eggs, all of them have the Jolly nature and their hidden abilities. I named them Atlantic, Liz, and Edward (I named it after my late grandfather, who was a sailor).

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  118. random late night questioning.
    I love the idea of alola forms (I really like some of them)
    however I’m simply just more interested in the new pokémon,
    I guess what I wanna ask is,
    what are your favourite Alola forms and are there any you plan on using on your teams?

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    • Marowak, Exeggutor, Vulpix/Ninetales, Muk. I probably won’t use any on my team to start with, I definitely want to use them at some point. I really REALLY need a cool new Dark type, otherwise I will likely either use Alolan Muk or forego one of my favourite types, which I’d rather not.

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      • I really hope we get a new Dark type soon. It is a cool typing and at this point it’s just very strange not to have seen any new Dark type pokémon @.@

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        • I really hope it’s not just on Alolan forms and maybe a legendary, I will not be pleased. I am also worried about the Ice type for the same reason. I also need another fire, I’m not sure I can use Salandit if I have to use Alolan Muk and I’m probably choosing Rowlet which counts out the other 2 Fire types outside of Alolan Marowak.

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    • I like Exeggcutor, Meowth and Sandslash.
      Mostly like Marowak and Ninetails but part of their typings annoy me.
      Don’t like Grimer, Sandshrew.
      Unsure about Muk, Raichu, Rattata and Raticate.

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      • I can’t wait so see what Alolan Persian looks like *_*
        B-But Sandshrew is an ice curling ;A; jk,
        I do like Alolan Raticate… he’s an hilarious FAT RAT!

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        • Most people are set to complain if it’s just a recolour. A recolour will suit me fine, I don’t want them to pull a Raticate and somehow make it worse.

          I don’t like that dark ring/ridge around its eyes. I wanted a straight-up recolour.

          (Tbh I’d rather have had ‘snowshrew’ be a new pokemon and have them claim it was ‘related’ to sandshrew because it would avoid the awkwardness of having ‘sand’ in the name of an ice type, but hey-ho.)

          I don’t like what they did to the cheeks. Rattata looked promising, black with a mustache, but then they managed to ruin it.

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    • I like Raichu, Ninetales, Marowak, and Muk. I would’ve like Sandslash (who has a great design) a lot better if it weren’t for its bad typing. And as for adding onto my team probably Marowak and potentially Ninetales, but already my team is pretty full

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      • Sandslash’s typing bad?
        It’s only got two x4 weaknesses and one x2, it’s got 1 immunity, 7 1/2 resistances and one 1/4 resistance. I’d say that’s prety good.

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        • Even so, if the website states it’ll be slower, then it won’t do so well considering it’s already slow, maybe it could survive one fire/fighting attack but probably get decimated on the next turn.

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          • its not as much about the quantity as much as it is the diversity. its weak to the most commonly used attacks in the competitive metagame. fighting, the most commonly seen type is 4x super effective. its weak to fire, a commonly seen attacking type. its weak to Earthquake, the most used move in the game. add all this to its slow speed as confirmed by the pokemon website, this poor thing will not be used. its such a shame, I really like its design.

          • me too. I use pokemon I like, even in competitive. i’d recommend giving it a try, you may enjoy yourself.

          • Eh, too ferocious and too much time building a team.

            Besides, I play more stuff than just pokemon and do other things, so once I’ve beat the story I’ll probably only play to complete the pokedex and very occaisionally battle.

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  128. So god damn bored
    Alright so the Demo is everyone’s biggest thought now so I figure we should lay down some ground rules
    Absolutely no doubt we’re all going to get it so I say we should try to limit telling what we see, I myself will be a temporary 3 hour leave to play the demo thoroughly and soak up all every, inch, of detail

    But the more important is if it gets datamined. And if we’re going to be posting info here under spoilers

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        • Fair. I’m of the unpopular opinion that anti-spoiler people should just avoid social media and news websites anyway. But I know that that’s too insensitive for most people to swallow.

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          • To be fair though, people shouldn’t have to be forced off of media to avoid something, because spoiler people get to stay on regardless. I do feel that giving people the choice of spoiler threads and non spoiler threads is the way to go.

          • lol Like I understand where you’re coming from, so don’t take this the wrong way, but I hate when people act like it’s some Arceus granted, basic human right to constantly be on social media and/or the internet in general and never ever have anything pop up that you don’t want to see or here. As if it’s everyone else’s job to protect you. I’ll follow whatever rules PJ decides to go with cause I’ve really enjoyed this little community, but I couldn’t care less for anti-spoiler people who need what is essentially a safe space.

          • Oh no, it’s definitely not some sort of right I expect, it’s just a luxury that I wish more people could indulge in. And there’s plenty of alternative places I can go for Pokémon news and discussion, it’s just I’m going to miss the people here.

          • I can respect that. I’m just one of those people that spoilers don’t negatively impact my enjoyment on really anything. While reading GoT I was talking to my friends about the books I hadn’t even read yet. I dunno. Im weird. I’ll admit it. Lol

    • I think for the comments there should be a guide of how to post spoiler tags etc for the comments as the featured comment so people know and can use them accordingly. I would also like some separate articles for full leaks and just Pokémon leaks.

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    • I would like to impose Deer Rule #1: PJ is our super plumber here, cuz it’s his job to stop all the leaks quickly, but also must understand the flow of water so we don’t dry up from the well for those who want water.

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          • Highly unlikely that if and when the demo gets datamined, it’ll hold no secrets. Again, it could happen, GF may have learned, but the amount of effort it’d take is huge.

          • Well to be fair it’s not about laziness or anything really. It just takes a lot of time/effort/money to take all those things out. Their mindset (as it should be) is that leaks don’t happen. I don’t blame them for not wanting to waste their time on something like a demo. Plus there are risks to cleaning out demos. Certain parts might F up the game if taken out and they don’t always know what part that is. It’s safer just to leave it all in there for the games performance sake.

    • I can’t risk it. As soon as it gets datamined I’m out; there will be people who don’t tag spoilers, you can’t control everyone.

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      • I’m not really bothered on composition or anything so I could’ve done a lot better :p

        It’s all Pokémon I’ve been dying to try out and I must say they’re all really fun ones to use.

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  130. Speaking of playthroughs, does anyone think my team is underleved in HGSS?
    – Typhlosion LV 36
    – Bellosom LV 34
    – Slowking LV 35
    – Mismagius LV 34
    – Ambipom LV 35
    – Crobat LV 34
    And I’m about to enter Victory road. Seems kinda underleved to me, but I haven’t grinded at all.

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    • Maybe a tiny bit? Gen 1/2 (plus their remakes) always did a crappy job of making sure you could get up to the correct levels once you reach the E4. I’m trying to finish Yellow before Sun and Moon come out, but all my Pokemon are mid 40’s. I’ll need to grind in order to get them at a decent level to take on the E4 and Blue…..

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    • My whole team was 55 when I did it so maybe? Then again I’ve been over training in every game since gen 1 as a result of having a massively hard time against Gary. By gen 3 and up, my standard was that my entire team be at 75 for the E4. In 6 they ended up being 100 because the exp share made it stupidly easy to grind

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        • Well, like I said, in gen 2 it was because I didn’t want to lose ever again and I really didn’t understand the way RPGs worked as a kid. So I 15 by the first gym and then 5 levels every gym. It also helped to pad the game so I didn’t beat it too quickly.

          By gen 3 this got messed with when I was at 20 near granite cave. I wandered in without flash, got lost and didn’t find the exit until like a week later and by then my pokemon were around 24-25, so I just made that the new standard. I wotked really well in gen 4 since there was such a huge gap between gyms which gave me more time to train.

          Hell, I remember abusing the VS seeker in FRLG so much that my team was over trained. One day my friend came over and accidentally took my copy thinking it was his green. As a gentleman’s agreement, we looked over each one’s data without saving just to see where the other was. He called me though and was like, “Dude, why is your team lv 50…and you only have 3 badges?”

          I guess it just got out of hand after a while lol

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    • You have Ice Beam? ’cause you’re probably gonna need it. I’d think at least early 40’s, mine were only around 42 when I went in I think.

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          • Actually if Ithsme wanted to he could get a Choice Specs at the Lake of Rage if he doesn’t think Blizzard would be strong enough to take out his Dragonites. It’s an option, but I think he’ll be fine because Slowking has a 100 SP Attack stat, which should be able to take out a Dragonite or 2.

          • The issue was more if Blizzard will actually hit, it’s definitely powerful enough, but it’s accuracy is somewhat lacking.

    • I forgot mo mention, but did you pick up the Choice Specs at the lake of Rage? Using it with the stat boosting items is amazing.

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    • I would say grind up to the low 40s or something higher than that because even with leveling up my Pokemon to that level Lance kicked my ass and almost beat me, if it weren’t for my Ampharos’s Thunder.

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  135. Have HMs been confirmed as removed from Sun and Moon with the introduction of Poke Ride? I think it would be a tad silly to mount a Pokémon just to cut down a single bush blocking your path. 😛 (or maybe cut/bushes are no longer an obstacle?)

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    • You probably won’t get to catch any Pokémon. Just your starter and Ash-Greninja. Or maybe just Ash-Greninja since we’ve only seen starter evolutions stage 1.

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    • I don’t think we’ll be able to catch it, only Greninja has been confirmed and I feel like the middle starters are the only others we’ll get.

      Though if we get more I feel like evolving will be blocked for certain Pokémon.

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  137. I just thought of an idea. Bounsweet should have a hidden ability called “Ripen”
    Mangosteens have a property in which fruits that are sealed with them get ripe faster and stay that way longer. Maybe this could be a Grass type version of Flame Body (minus the burn)

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  138. Is anyone else digging how much Ghosts there are? Like having tons of Fairies, Grasses, and Normals is really easy to guess of region like Alola, but it’s a nice surprise to see one of the rarest types get more. Hopefully next Gen is something like Canada, Russia or even a hyper exaggerated Scotland so we can get more Ice Types.

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  141. Comment Question (since this page seems a little empty with comments today):
    What was the team that you used for HG/SS, where did you get your Pokemon from your team, and what was the most memorable part about the game?

    For my answer, my team was:
    Typhlosion (Kai)
    Crobat (Violet)
    Ampharos (Wyatt)
    Heracross (Ceros)
    Tentacruel (Brook)
    Tyranitar (Ninkovich)

    I got Kai as a starter, Violet when I went to explore Dark Cave, Wyatt when I needed a Pokemon to take out, so I went to Route 32, Ceros when I was just head butting some trees in Azalea and then came across it, Brook when I surfed around Route 40 (with my sentret), and Ninkovich after I spent half a week trying to get a Larvitar in the Safari Zone.

    A really memorable part from HeartGold was the Champion Battle, because all of my and Lance’s Pokemon got knocked out, so his under leveled Dragonite and my Ampharos were battling for a very long time. We both were using up our moves quite a bit, but my Ampharos narrowly finished off his Dragonite with the remaining PP I had on Thunder. I felt so accomplished after that.

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  142. So I know I’ve brought it up a bunch but it’s never been as it’s own comment, just in to the comments of comments, and it can help kinda buffer out the low convo count, but would anyone be seriously interested in a story project for SuMo?

    Basically, it’d be a shared universe everyone could write in and could have crossovers based off our SuMo characters and Pokémon, although obviously adjustments will have to be made (not everybody can be carrying around an Solgaleo and Lunala and not everyone can be the hero of Alola :p).

    I feel it’d be a good opportunity to get some more writing practice and encourage members to write :p

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        • Exactly! I just hope Wimpod is available early in the games. But, knowing Pokemon’s formulatic distribution it probably will be a post 3rd “gym leader” type of deal.

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          • It’s a weak Bug-type so I feel it’ll show up fairly early, but I doubt it’ll be past half way through Akala Island which is only about 3/8 through the game (and thats assuming all the islands take the same time to complete, which they almost definitely won’t)

            So definitely early game or the start of mid game.

          • I’m just wondering if you have any other planned team members. I can imagine some interesting team dynamics with other Pokémon :p

          • Well, I’d really love to see the full roster before choosing, but I could see me having a Rockruff, Litten, Komola, Pikipek, and a Salandit.

          • Yeah, I’ve already got a lot of stories set up but I’m paranoid about the possibility of more Pokémon showing up I want to use instead ^^;

          • I know! I hope they didn’t butcher Komola or Wimpod’s evolution. I really hope Wimpod becomes the Gyrados of Alola. That would be awesome. Bottomfeeder to Alola God! Haha!

            Plus the riddler says we don’t know all there is to know about the starter’s evolutions. So maybe the split form is still a concept worth considering?

          • Unless Popplio3’s split form is also likely to be Fairy it has nothing on the leaked one :p

            I’m hoping they don’t botch Salandit’s evo, I’ve got a theme going and I finally got a good fire type for it :p

            But Wimpod being the Alolan Magikarp is something I see happening.

          • Well, I originally wanted a clown Popplio. I like the Siren, but I still want my clown water puppy lol

            Omg, I know. I’m scared for Salandit. The conceptual art I’ve seen for its evolution by fans leaves me a bit uneasy.

            All hail Wimpod. (You’ve been replaced Helix.)

          • I’m the opposite, I was happy with non-clown Popplio because I was afraid it’d be ugly :s

            Yeah, it’s gonna be hard to make an evo for 😡

            Wimpgod :p

          • I think GF could have done a decent job at it, but then again: Mr. Mime. *Shudder*

            I honestly wasn’t expecting a female based Salandit evolution when it was first announced. It will be interesting to see where it’s going.

          • I was expecting a female based evolution due to the females producing pheromones, but at the same time I hope the male Salandit don’t get shafted and it’s a Vespiquen situation :s

          • My story is always a continuation of my in game character moving on to the next region and getting caught up will all sorts of bullcrap

          • That’s fine, you’d probably have to cut out the ‘saving the world’ bit if you were to get involved with the project because I don’t want to have anyone as some sort of world saving hero for balance reasons. But a veteran trainer who’s travelled around the world is fair game, just as most backstories are as long as they’re not Mary-suey.

    • not sure I 100% understand what it would be but I’m 100% interested! I like to think if I were a trainer I would always start fresh in a new region only bringing along my trusty Swirlix and my goal in each region would first and foremost to be to catch and research every type of fairy I could find (the gyms and i guess trails just being a side thought for me)

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      • It would basically all just be stories in Alola (unless it’s backstory) but I like the idea of being a type researcher, it’s a really cool idea o haven’t seen yet!

        BTW you don’t have to do trials if you don’t want to, your character could just have a different goal in mind ^^

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  143. Just wanted to clarify since people might still be unsure of this. Silvally is a combination of silver and ally. It’s not pronounced sil•val•lee. It’s pronounced silv•alī. The proof is in its name in other languages:

    French
    Silvallié
    From silver and allié (ally)

    German
    Amigento
    From amigo (friend) and argentum (silver)

    Japanese
    シルヴァディ Shiruvadi
    From silver and buddy

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b0a3db01bd0fde9de7c8819d7f8106dd1065c3ad9756cc5280c02b9bb6f54a53.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4b90ec2067a12eb5bd5753c83fbc3569e075a6dc42b9e31bc6c47b1225fc3841.png

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    • I can’t comment on the French and Japanese translations, but amigo is definitely a Spanish word (for friend) and not German. I’d imagine that the German name would be a composition of German words, not Spanish.
      Furthermore, I looked at the Spanish site and the name is the same as in English.

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      • Spanish and Italian Pokémon names are always the same as English ones.
        German Pokémon names tend to use other languages, including the dead language known as Latin, as well as their own language. Actually, German is the only language that has Pokémon names originating from other languages. English and Japanese does this as well.

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          • I go to Bulbapedia for name origins. I love Pokémon etymology~!
            It provides extra depth into what a Pokémon represents.

        • It should be noted that Type: Null is the only Pokemon that has its name changed in Spanish and Italian games. It’s literally the translation of Type: Null in both languages and it shows that Type: Null is not really a Pokemon name, but it’s something different, more literal.

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  144. Wow I almost beat the E4 AND Champion in Yellow! I didn’t think I’d get as far as past Lorelei, but I beat her and then I beat Bruno and then I beat Agatha (tougher than the others actually) and then to my surprise I actually beat Lance! I got through Blue’s first Pokemon (Sandslash), but then his Alakazam wrecked my team. I went into this with very little potions and by the end I was relying on revives to keep going. If I had more Super Potions and my Pokemon were a little bit higher in level I would have likely beaten it. lol

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    • I can believe that a Pokémon so many people just kinda swept to the side has become so popular as speculation, art and just as itself.

      Also, spectacular art, the artists out done themselves.

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      • Yeah, I didn’t expect Type: Null to evolve and definitely didn’t expect it to look pretty similar only bigger, but it’s a really interesting Pokémon over all. I likes.

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  146. This is easy. Malva, especially thanks to that fun turnaround twist in the XY&Z series. Siebold comes 2nd, with Wikstrom my least favorite.

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