October’s issue of Japanese comic magazine CoroCoro has leaked and brought with it new details about Zygarde. The form fans are familiar with from Pokémon X&Y is when it is at half power and called “50% Form”. It has a “cell” form as its base, the amoeba-like one, and a newly revealed dog-like form at one tenth of its power and is called “10% Form”. Finally the last form is its “Perfect Form” which retains its original Dragon/Ground typing. It incorporates the red and blue of Yveltal and Xerneas and is even more powerful than them.
** We’re awaiting specific information on just how the forms are attained
Ash is also going to have a Greninja that shares physical traits with him. We don’t know if this was achieved through the power of friendship or some satanic ritual. This weird, new Greninja is set to appear in the new Pokémon XY & Z anime, which will air close to Mega Evolution Act IV.
Pokémon Z confirmed? Or is it Pokémon XY & Z? Or X & Z and Y & Z? Or none. Who knows!
<3 PJ
Does anyone think we’ll be able to use the cell(blob) form in battle? When the games come out of course(whatever the games are)
I sure do. It’s technically a form, so that form should somehow be accessible within the game.
Honestly I don’t think so, not in battle at least
Maybe what’s it’s weak out of battle
Of course.
if that’s not happen all these design will become nothing and they will forgotten by the time …like Carbink form .
So you guys think we’ll get a reveal of these things on Monday, because it will already be the 15th in Japan?
Yeah, I would say more than likely yeah.
I’m willing to bet that we’ll get a solid form of something come Monday. They may or may not announce the game itself, but I’m pretty positive we’ll get at the very least something saying an announcement is coming really soon. I hope they just cone right out with it and say what the new game is tho lol
I’m really confused about why they haven’t announced the game yet. As I pointed out earlier, they make numerous references to an in-game appearance of these forms, yet we don’t have a game yet! I think a worldwide reveal on Monday could happen.
Well it takes a while for them to reveal a pokemon then announce a game
So the wait could be long or short
All just depends
Just thinking… If 2016 would be the reveal/launch of Gen 7, then what if Z is just going to be an Anime plot?
I really hope not. There’s a quote from this page that, if the translation is correct, confirms a game appearance. This segment reads, “This new Pokémon will appear in this new show before it appears anywhere else! And other new Pokémon will appear as well!” I took this from 4chan, but I don’t think that person has a reason to lie about anything.
any body notice that perfect Zygarde is shorter than normal one but his weight is more than double .
Man. Just reading through the comments, I think people think that fusions are going to be something in Pokemon. I completely doubt it. The fusion thing is just going to be for Zygarde! Obviously, I cannot explain whats up with Ash’s Greninja… but I think it might have to do with cosplaying. Who knows? I doubt it’s going to do with trainers fusing with Pokemon. We already had that with Pokemon ReBurst. (Can we have a Pokemon ReBurst Game plz.)
What is this reburst thing everyone keeps bringing up?
It was a Pokemon Manga in Japan. It’s where Trainers and Pokemon could fuse using special stones. Refresh to see the image!
I just googled it. I wanna fuse with something. Like a Sharpedo or Bastiodon
That’s why I’m worried.
i saw this before ….i think gen1 manga contain a stuff like this ….. but the big question is y pkmn company risks by concept like this .
Gen 1 Manga didn’t have anything like this. Apparently Reburst is the only thing with HumanXPokemon fusions.
ucould be right i think i am confuse with the fusion between Mewtow and Jigly…. i can’t remember .but i will see .
that was from the Pokemon gag manga. also, it was Clefairy and not Jigglypuff that fused with him.
oh that’s it…..is that fake manga ?
Thinking about it… I understand people’s concern. Currently, I’m thinking about two things. Does Zygarde’s New Forme depend on his amount of HP or how many Zygarde Cells are fused into him. I’m guessing that it’s based on how many cells are in him (hence the percentages), but I wish the CoroCoro elaborated more on this.
Lastly, it’s about Ash’s Greninja. My thought is: Does Ash’s Greninja come from fusion or cosplay? After reading @shinylickitung:disqus’s comment about it; I seriously hope that’s not the case. After checking numerous sites, all of them say that Ash’s Greninja is just going to share visual traits with him. Nothing about fusion between Greninja and Ash. If this does involve fusion then it’s something taken straight out of Pokemon ReBurst and Digimon Frontier. I’m going with the cosplay option. It just makes the most sense to me. Still, there are possibilities for anything.
I’m just going to keep an open-mind about things right now. I can’t be mad at information, I know virtually know nothing about. I guess we have to wait for more clarifications from upcoming news and CoroCoros. :/
Concerning Zygarde, it could be both. The Zygarde Cells may have their own individual HP which the summation of translates to Zygarde’s total HP. As Zygarde’s HP goes down, the individual HP of the Cells may also go down, fainting them, and thus making them defuse.
Hopefully this means that Pokemon will be dressable in the games. Not completely, maybe they just have to copy their trainee, but look at Cosplay Pikachu, different outfits. I really hope it’s not fusion because that wouldn’t benefit anything in the games…
I honestly don’t think it’s cosplay mainly because the greninjas form is slightly different where you can see “ash hair” also they gave it a name Ash Greninja which to me would seem impossible to bring to Z because Ash has nothing to do with the game series. hopefully this is just an anime thing but who knows
Actually, it wouldn’t be hard to give Greninja some hair. Look at Ph. D and Rock Star Pikachu. They all have features regular Pikachu do not have (such as hair). Also, it seems like it’s for the anime, hence the name Ash’s Greninja (as you said).
Yeah but those literally are costumes. The part of greninja with the hair is like a physical change in his face
And also again why would they incorporate Ash in the game now? Why make a costume for a Pokemon being Ash? Just take a regular greninja and the ash Greninja and compare them. The physical form of greninja is slightly different
I just had an idea: it’s not vet likely but it would be cool. Afarr kind of gave me the idea.
What if early in of the game you get a zygarde core, and along the way you battle and catch many zygarde cells and 10%s until you get a 50% zygarde. team flare would use yveltal and xerneas for the ultamite weapon, so you would have to catch the 50% in that chasm. It then would absorb yveltal and xerneas’a power to become perfect zygarde, which you would use to take out team flare.
I think that’s pretty reasonable. Otherwise, why would anyone want to “devolve” into Zygarde Core(s) if they can become Zygarde Perfect Form instead?
I just thought it was unlikely because it breaks away from the “oh there’s the main villain! Go catch this legendary so you can defeat him” theme in most games since Emerald.
I don’t really understand why people think the % forms depend on its hp. That seems unlikely are you guys saying that in battle you have perfect Zygarde then as your hp goes down you switch? To me I think the only idea that makes sense is the idea of catching multiple. Or simply you get to choose which one you want to use. can someone clarify the idea of hp cuz it just doesn’t make sense to me
Well if your at full heath your the strongest
as your energy drops your power drops
and finally when Zygarde is at the brink of death it changes into a form that can help it run away
But how will they explain why this didn’t happen in the original X and Y? Why was Zygarde always one form previously?
because the Core and the Cells regulate the forms
So would they need to be in your team for this to work or do you just have to have them in your PC? How would this work in online battles?
I could understand if it was an item that regulated it…but this seems a bit strange.
Also is it then possible for you to use a single form without it changing mid game. As in giving you an option or not. Because surely regular Zygarde 50% form would still be able to be used without it changing?
hold on slugger
We don’t know if these things are actual usable Pokemon
they’re probably be items
Yeh that’s what I’m getting at. I know it’s just speculation at the moment. The only way I see the percentage thing working is if it’s an item that regulates it. Also I’m still wondering If that’s the case do we also get the option of sticking with a single form if we want to.
Same
I think there will be an item to regulate the percent zygarde you will use
I highly doubt it will depend on HP (but GF is throwing curve balls like crazy so who knows)
I don’t think the little ones will be useable in battle
In order for them to battle they have to fuse to form a zygarde then they can battle
That could be an option as well. But what about Zygarde that haven’t fused with anything. Will they always remain in the 50% form? Or is it possible to stick into one of the other forms.
I’m just speculating. I have so many questions that GF need to answer…
I simply can’t wait to see some high-resolution imagery of these forms, especially Perfect Form. Monday/Tuesday can’t come soon enough.
i feel it will be tomorrow .
Sunday is known as the “Break Day”. Mostly technology and gaming news typically skips Sundays. If their going to localize this information; it would be mostly published on Monday or Tuesday.
If it merges with multiple Zygarde Cell, it becomes the brain of further Zygarde Complete Forms.
Am I the only one who thinks Ash’s Greninja looks kind of cool? Whatever it turns out to b I’m just excited Ash is gonna get a Greninja lol
if he fuse with Ash DNA that could be the worst idea in pkmn world ……but more likely this Greninja not obtainable in the game just like Crabink’s form .
I am kinda hoping my theory isn’t true but i can’t help but wonder if “Ash’s Greninja” is actually Mega Greninja and that upon Mega Evolving it gets an ability which makes it mimic the design of it’s trainer at the time. It would certainly play into the trainer customization theme in XY. Plus it is not outwith the realms of possibility that the Kalos starters will get mega evolutions in “Z”. Also notice that the artwork for it aswell as the image in the poster shows it with blade like weapons which seem permenant rather than just an attack so it could indeed be a mega (this is similar to Mega Charizard X’s flames from its mouth being a part of its official artwork).
Personally any other pokemon and i would love this but a Mega Greninja should and must have Protean as its ability… i mean seriously! Take Protean away and Greninja loses its key niche…unless of course this ability had other benefits such as different clothing combinations providing certain boosts or changes in type? Anyway that sort of speculation could run away with itself but i don’t think this is a ridiculous theory. I just don’t know if i like it.
i think the soultion of Ash’s Greninja’s mystery is the Protean ability …..maybe Greninja can mimic ash .
Color Change
The Who Satoshi Greninja is a puzzler
Well given Froakie’s backstory no other trainer could get Froakie to listen to it, maybe it has a great deal of respect for him and a great deal of admiration
its either that or some kind of marketing gimmick that’s just kinda like the Spikey Ear Pikachu or the Rotoms changing type
The corocoro states that it looks like ash’s clothes, I seriously don’t get where people got the ridiculous fusion idea from.
It’s either going to be like eternal flower floette or cosplay pikachu,gen 6 could bring “Trainer Exclusive” pokemon, we already have AZ’s floette,so a similar Ash’s greninja isn’t really a Stretch.
And let’s not forgot numerous times anime has a pokemon that looks different, and is only in anime (Pink Butterfree)
This is probably another one of those instances
The next issue of pokemon fan will be realeasing on September 19th and it will countain anime info,so we’ll probably get the answer to what Ash Greninja really is then
Does Pokemon Fan usually have any real info?
http://www.twitch.tv/mintypaws
You’re famous now…right?
i dunno i’m helping him make a Ground Team
I hopped on tumblr, and there seems to be a LOT of love for zygarde’s 10% form
There are some good artists on there. I’m personally drawn to the red, blue and green colors of the Perfect Form. It just looks…perfect!
for me the pkmn designer should be more famous than hollywood actors ……y most of these artist r unknown ?
That’s so true! I guess it’s because Hollywood has its own twisted ways of reaching people.
people in 4chan hate it ..they think it’s not fit to the concept …these kids they didn’t know they should have to understand the concept first .
I’m wondering, will it even be possible to reveal these forms while tied to the anime here in the States? I’m definitely not well versed on the Pokemon anime like I used to be, but I’m pretty certain that we’re not going to get the translated version of XY&Z until at least next year. Without spoiling the anime for the English audience, wouldn’t they have to reverse it for us, revealing “Z” and showing gameplay footage so they have an excuse to reveal them here? Or am I completely wrong about how this works?
The anime is only 2 months-ish behind Japan in the US, which isn’t a huge amount of time. I don’t see any reason for them to not announce anything now, or in the next two months. It’s no different to Corocoro revealing stuff now before it releases in month or so.
Huh, alright then. I’m still trying to think of when they’re planning on revealing this game. At this point, it seems like they’re shooting for a random date two months or so in the future.
The english dub is only 7 episodes behind, so there’s no reason for them to not announce anything now
Holy shit this guy doesn’t know anything about Ground types
I keep looking at it… And huge zygarde looks like a kids drawing to me… Like the thing with a hands for a head…
Not a fan personally
Fusion is just a cheap tactic to make weak Pokemon stronger…
Technically the only fusions or really “Abofusion” are Black and White Kyurem
Well in the games, at least.
well where else is canonical fusion
In the anime, a Mismagius fused with a Rayquaza it created, and in Pokemon Adventure we got an unholy fusion of Articuno, Zapdos, and Moltres. There’s also Pokemon ReBurst… but we don’t talk about that around here.
Well the Rayquaza is purely fake
and Thu-Fi-Zer…..i don’t know if that’s Canon….
and Reburst is a fusion with humans not other Pokemon
This is what team rocket thinks of fusion…
http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/steven-universe/images/2/2c/GarnetCluster.png/revision/latest?cb=20150619080445
Loving this Zygarde perfect form, it’s perfect:
http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/scale_small/15/155448/2565930-zygarde.png
Dude that’s 50%
Gal, i’m %100 sure it’s not %50, it’s perfect form.
Hun it’s 50% stop kidding yourself
Bless yourself and genuflect.
I can’t do that, i have bad knees
Having good knees is necessary for getting down and finding salvation deep within where life begins.
y call her dude ?
Probably the perfect form, and the only form I will use
being headstrong and girl in the same time…….that’s will hurt u a lot .
It might seem like a tough condition but if you’re a strong female, you don’t need permission.
no i am a guy ……but u should know how to release the strong in female nature it’s very different from male one .
http://i.imgur.com/EplYAWs.gif
Zygarde is 10% luck, 20% skill, 15% concentrated power of will, 5% pleasure, 50% pain, and 100% reason to remember the name!
did u notice the head of the perfect form is A pop-up from the previous form 3rd eye …..did u remember my theory ?….wat u mean by this pic below by the way ?
50%… You still need to absorb more. 😉
I can’t take more in.
Zygarde is so cool. But the typing is all wrong
Ehh… Not really. Serpents look like Dragons. Also, it looks like a snake. So, Dragon/Ground.
I guess so. Hopefully its ability can make it strong to Xerneas/Yveltal
Loki’s 3 childern
Dog,Snake, Humanoid demon
i was right sotra
– GovnahSkiddo P.S the background aches my one eye
So where is the Loki of the pokemon world? Perhaps more legendaries to come? Thor and Loki based? 😉
True true, Hoping to see something based off him, I really want a Krampus legend if germany happens
That might be slightly terrifying
well make it pokemonish, make it so that if a pokemon trainer mistreats the pokemon, Krampusmon comes to that trainer and gives him/her the feelings of what the pokemon feels when it’s mistreated
Evil, but cool
who says all pokemon have to be good
That’s true.
what about horse dude? ….for me the one who is really missing is the squirrel it’s Plays a big role of tree of life .
The horse is in a different Norse
i didn’t know this before how many norse then ?……u seems know more than me norse myth ….r u from any norse country ?
Nope studied german norse alot
than u deserve my follow .
Norse german was more with the demon then the horse, hence why i support germany as a second region in gen 6
Whelp. I guess Pokemon = Dragon Ball Z now… Let me explain.
Pokemon: Zinnia evoked Rayquaza with seven Mega Stones.
DBZ: Anyone could evoke Shenron with the seven Dragon Balls.
Pokemon: Zygarde has to absorb cells to become his perfect form.
DBZ: Cell has to absorb Android 17 & 18 to access his perfect form.
Pokemon: Over 9,000 meme.
DBZ: Over 9,000 meme.
lol. The comparisons are strong! ;D
It has not been said that It absorb cells tho
Meh. Where else does the Cells go? Also, in the anime promo there were multiple of them. So, I’m assuming that they fuse together to make the all powerful 100% Zygarde.
or, he just goes through the stages of cell development?
Part of the translation says that 10% Zygarde, 50% Zygarde and Perfect Zygarde are made up of a Zygarde Core and different amounts of Zygarde Cells. I was thinking it could go something like this:
Zygarde Core merges with four Zygarde Cells (as seen in the ME act 4 trailer from last month) to become 10% Zygarde. Then 10% Zygarde merges with another sixteen (so 20 total) Zygarde Cells to become 50% Zygarde, then it unleashes it’s secret power by absorbing another 20 Zygarde Cells to become Perfect Zygarde.
If that’s the case, then the comparison with DBZ is quite accurate.
Don’t you mean Key Stones? She definitely had at least five when she summoned Rayquaza (Hers, Wally’s, Archie/Maxie’s, Brendan/May’s and iirc Matt/Courtney’s).
Zygarde is basically a fetus.
In the sense that the cells make up a whole? Or am I missing something here?
Zygarde’s # forms his is growth cycle to his perfect form (fully grown fetus)
Oh. I guess I was just overthinking things.
i think it’s Unicellular do the Reproduction fission and all these clones a combined together to make Complete Form .
Every Pokemon that could evolve is basically a fetus. There always growing until their strongest state. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Zygarde is better fetus
😉
Zygarde is more or less like a biofilm – a collection of various individual bacterial cells to form a larger colony that acts as if it were one organism. The more durable cells are towards the outer layer protecting the inner cells as they begin to gain resistance to change in environment (pH, temp, etc.) and/or antibiotics.
The bigger the biofilm, the more resistant – stronger – the biofilm becomes. As the outer layers eventually slough off, they’re quickly replaced with the newly resistant, ever reproducing inner layer.
Note: only Zygarde cell and core looked more like amoebas/flat worms
It’s already the 13th in Japan…I’m so ready for Game Freak to troll us again and save the game announcement for some other month!
happy one year smash
Come again?
smash bros is one year old in japan my good sir
Oh…well thanks for letting me know! I can’t believe it’s been a year already.
Smash came out on October 4th, 2014 on the 3DS and November 21st, 2014 on the Wii U.
Unless you’re taking about the Japanese releases, which I’m not sure when they were.
September 13th 2014 for japan
if GF would like to do a trailer for these forms in the battle …they should release the new game first …..damit i want to see these forms 3d model battling .
Yup. I’m assuming that they will announce the new information this week. The typically follow up with the CoroCoro news. I say we just wait for Monday or Tuesday. Still, TrollFreak is TrollFreak. They learned well from Master Sakurai.
Wait, you think we WILL get a game announcement this week, or you think they’ll just update us with the CoroCoro news for the West?
They’ll definitely update us with Corocoro news for the west. I’m hoping that a game announcement is soon to follow a la Keldeo and BW2, especially if they do a trailer for the new forms, I just hope that we don’t get a message like “What game do these trailers come from? Wait until next month to find out” with it.
As Afarr said, TrollFreak is TrollFreak. They could very well do that.
You know what, at this point, I’d gladly take the “wait until next month” message. We waited a long month for this awesome anime information, now hopefully we can follow that up with game hype soon!
I could totally c them update and say “Hey ext month there will b a huge announcement!!! Stray tuned!!” I hope I’m wrong tho lol