Weather UNTAMED: Sunny Day

Hello, everyone! It’s been ages since I’ve posted. I had a bit of a stressful rut out here in Korea with loads of internal government changes that unfortunately affected my plans for next year, so I’ve had to job hunt. Paired up with graduate courses and extensive language learning has sucked up most of my time. However, next year I’ll be relocating to Kuwait for work. I’m so sad to leave Asia, but I’m excited for some new experiences!

So far we’ve played in the rain and traversed through the sand. Now we’re going to talk about basking in the sun! It’s the third of our fourth weather strategy, Sunny Day. I’ve actually been quite excited for this article because Sunny Day teams have gotten much more interesting since the most recent generation. Sunny Day teams have become somewhat of a double edged sword in certain ways, delivering extremely gratifying results while simultaneously making the user more vulnerable. Below are the changes, both positive and negative, that Sunny Day has to offer on the battle field:

(note this is also updated from the release of XY)

–          The base power of fire moves is increased by 50%

–          The base power of water moves is decreased by 50%

–          Growth increases attack and special attack by two stages

–          Frozen Pokémon thaw faster

–          Solarbeam no longer needs a turn to charge

–          Heat Wave always hits (even through protect)

–          Thunder and Hurricane have their base accuracy reduced to 50%

–          Weather Ball is a fire type move with 150 base power

–          Morning Sun, Synthesis, and Moonlight all heal 66% of the user’s base HP

–          Pokémon with the ability Chlorophyll have their speed doubled

–          Pokémon with the ability Leaf Guard become immune to statuses

–          Pokémon with the ability Solar Power have their special attack increased by 50%, but lose 12.5% of their HP every turn

–          Pokémon with the ability Dry Skin lose 12.5% of their HP every turn

–          Both Castform and Cherrim change forms

What strikes me the most with Sunny Day is it’s obvious offensive use. The Solar Power ability and Growth move can easily be abused to create fantastic sweepers. That’s not to say there aren’t defensive benefits, though. Three previously (somewhat) overlooked recovery moves now have boosted effects, which can prove useful for walls and stalls on your team. The realm of Pokémon also has no shortage of fire and grass types to take advantage of these benefits, either! Below are my personal recommendations for any Sunny Day team:

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Charizard Y / Ninetales

Not only are these two Pokémon absolute beasts on the battle field, but they come with the crucial ability Drought. This creates an instant five turn Sunny Day without having to waste a move. Unfortunately, drought was nerfed in Pokémon XY and changed to only five turns instead of unlimited (uber haxx), but I personally see that as a benefit. It levels the playing field a bit more when facing weather teams.

While Charizard Y is the most viable for Sunny Day teams due to increased stats, Ninetales is a better option for a longer lasting Sunny Day (since Charizard Y can’t hold a Heat Rock). Ninetales can work just as well in offensive roles (and even better in a more defensive role). Charizard Y is a pure attacker sporting moves like Flamethrower, Fire Blast, Heat Wave, and Fire Blitz which are insanely powerful under the Fire STAB and Sunny Day boost. If you prefer a more defensive player, Ninetales would be a better choice. It can create an array of annoying statuses with utility abilities such as Will-o-Wisp and Hypnosis while interrupting set ups with Roar. It can also run a more offensive set with Flamethrower, Solar Beam (taking advantage of its boost), and Nasty Plot.

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Heatran

I both love and hate Heatran. It’s such a great Pokémon with an excellent mixed typing, unique move set, and excellent stats. However, it has screwed me over so many times when fighting competitively! The Fire/Steel type combined with Flash Fire give Heatran two immunities to fairly common types (fire and poison) and a ridiculous nine resistances. Its diverse stats allow it to run a defensive set as well as an offensive set. However, it does come with a 4x weakness to the common ground type and a standard weakness to water which can hinder its set ups and team sweeping streaks. Having it hold a Balloon item would be extremely beneficial to take care of those dangerous ground moves. It’ll be interesting how Heatran fares when Pokémon Bank opens up, but so far it seems like it’ll do quite well with that double resistance to the common fairy type.

I prefer my Heatran to be a more offensive teammate. Take advantage of its excellent special attack stat with STAB Flamethrower. Earth Power can take out any opposing fire types and opposing Heatran. Now that Steel types have a new use offensively, it wouldn’t hurt to have something like Iron Head to take care of the rising fairies on the battlefield. I don’t know exactly what new moves will open up for Heatran in XY, but hopefully something that will benefit its steel typing offensively so it provides more use than just defenses!

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Talonflame

The fire/flying type combo, in my opinion, is one of the worst combos out there. Weaknesses to common rock moves, electric moves, water moves, and a 4x weaknesses to Stealth Rock certainly aren’t doing these Pokémon any favors. They have also seem to be notorious for having poor defenses (with the exception of Ho-Oh), so a single hit from something as meager as a Rock Slide is enough to land a 1HKO. However, the introduction to Talonflame in Gen VI  has given some new light to the usefulness of fire types in the game.

Talonflame is lightning fast, sporting an impressive 126 base speed. It’s attack prowess also isn’t very shabby, capping at 81/74 respectively. But what makes Talonflame shine is its hidden ability Gale Wings, which provides a +1 priority to flying type moves. This gives his Pokémon a serious edge, especially when taking advantage of the Sunny Day weather to boost up its Fire Blitz attack. It can also set up your Sunny Day team by the use of Tailwind, which now has a +1 priority with Gale Wings, so sweeping just got that much easier. I’d love to fight a +1 speed Charizard in the sun, said no one ever.

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Venusaur

Overshadowed and underpowered from Gens 1-4, Venusaur has made a huge comeback in Gen 6 as what I think one of the most improved lower tier Pokémon out there. It’s hidden ability, Chlorophyll, doubles its speed in the sun. This makes Venusaur an extremely formidable sweeper with plenty of bulk to keep it out of harm’s way. Also, the introduction of the fairy type makes poison a much more viable option. Not only that, but it receives a flippin mega evolution just to top things off. With that said, Venusaur is easily the best chlorophyll user. The only thing that keeps up from being in the ranks of top tier epicness is its movepool, which GameFreak has yet to improve for many of the grass types out there. Venusaur is quite predictable; you can expect it to run its typical STAB grass, possibly a powder status move, and/or a SubSeed set.

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Heliolisk

I wanted to throw in something unexpected in the last slot, so here it is! Heliolisk is a strange one – an electric/normal frill lizard with unique move sets, diverse abilities, and interesting stats to boot. It’s made for the quick special sweeper slot, but can also take advantage of its Dry Skin ability to heal itself in the rain. Parabolic Charge is a fantastic recovery move that it has access too, which can make help keep it up and going while doing STAB damage at the same time. Its ability Solar Power is what interests me since it boosts its special attack stat to a whopping 218, which is something to consider. Combine this with a Choice Scarf and you’ve got a fantastic sweeper. It also gains access to an oddball assortment of special moves like Surf, Grass Knot, Dark Pulse, and Focus Blast. While not the best Pokémon on Sunny Day teams, I think it can hold a niche spot on the battlefield.[/spoiler]

There you have it, folks! We’re almost done with the weather series! Please leave your comments below. I do enjoy reading your feedback! I’m hoping to a bit more active since school is out, so I look forward to posting more articles in the near future.

 

Cheers!

Mr. Bojingles

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1,353 thoughts on “Weather UNTAMED: Sunny Day”

  1. I really like the mechanics of weather, and the nerf they received makes it fairer and overall more competitive against non-weather teams. Sunny Day/Drought is the next competitive team to build on my list.

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  2. Mr.Bojingles.
    I hope u read this, actually this article can be really informative an helpfull for people trying to do a sunny day team, its really enjoyable to read.
    I hope u get a good work in kuwait.
    Also now that i see, a mix of grassy terrain and sunny day would be pretty good.

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  3. I know this might seem like a crap question but wouldn’t Emboar, once Pokebank is up, also be a somewhat good addition to a fire team thanks to it being able to learn grass knot/solar beam and scald which makes it a somewhat good counter to rain teams? Again, I know it’s a bad question because of it’s speed, Sp def and def stats but it might be a good Pokemon, who knows?

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    • Any fire pokemon would be decent in the sun. I wouldn’t see why not! It’s got a quite diverse move pool but, as you mentioned, it’s slow and frail.

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  4. I need to make a weather team, what’s best this gen?
    Sun, Rain or Sand?
    I like Rain and I saw a pretty good team the other day, what do you guys use? And who are your weather starters?

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  5. I’ve personally never used weather. Too much predictability for me. Most teams run the same pokes with the same strategies. I like the more unexpected teams, mixing in the lower tiers and suprsing the opponent with strategies they don’t typically see.

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  6. I never get the hang of weather teams, because most of my favorite pokémon don’t work with weather, and honestly, I hate having a team that’s 90% the same pokémon as everyone. I play Showdown and over 50% of the teams have Greninja, Forretress, Talonflame, Mega Kangaskhan and legendaries such as Genesect or Heatran.

    Not that I don’t like those pokémon, after all, Greninja and Talonflame are in my in-game team, as well as Kangaskhan on Yellow version. I know this is pretty off-topic, but I’ll get to my point soon enough.
    Weather teams are pretty good If you know how to use them, and can make all the pokémon in it work together along with the five or eight turns of weather itself. And when the weather ends, you’d have to send out the Drought/Drizzle user out again, risking a possible faint on it. Another thing is, you gotta pick specific pokémon to work in a weather team, and they are pretty much the same pokémon as other weather-based teams. I prefer picking out the Pokémon I like the most and think that are more useful to me, so weather doesn’t work for me.

    Anyway, sorry for the text (?), but it’s a really good article.

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  7. Since I have 10 minutes to spare, and nobody else is s here, I’ll write a very long paragraph about my favourite pokemon, Umbreon. Not only is Umbreon an amazingly epic looking yellow ringed hound,it’s also a massive tank. It’s not very good on the offensive side but if anything tries to set up on it then a foul play is coming their way. You can put a status problem upon it if you’d like but it comes at the cost of having it yourself thanks to its best ability, synchronize. I say best ability because it’s hidden ability is crap and doesn’t help whatever. They gave it’s counterpart Espeon magic bounce so that it could become 1 percent as good as Umbreon because if it had magic bounce, Umbreon would be in a tier of it’s own. Umbreon is only in Smogons UU tier because secretly they think that it doesn’t deserve it’s own their so they nerfed it in showdown so it wouldn’t go into ubers 2. I’ve only talked about 15 percent of the things that make Umbreon epic but I have to go to the airport now so I cannot continue. Bai!

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  8. we need to see a move mechanics UNTAMED, personally I would like a Special Version of Jump Kick and Hi Jump Kick, and a move that would be a mix between Geomancy and Solarbeam

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  9. I never really was a fan of competitive battling. Not only was there a ton of stuff to do to make them ‘perfect’, basically everyone did that, when all I wanted to do was send out my story team. I would be at a huge disadvantage. When X and Y brought all these simpler and easier changes to all that training, I considered doing it, but it still required something that I knew I would get bored of. Plus, I never really like status moves, I usually go all offensive. But that’s just me, I guess.

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  10. Wow, never seen an article like this before on PJ! Anyways here are my thoughts:

    In Singles, weather is almost non existant. The only weather that might appear is Sand, mainly due to the massive influx of Talonflames, to which Tyranitar serves as the the most popular counter. Things like Rain Stall in last gen no longer exists, due to the nerf. So all weather teams have to focus on hyper offense.

    I don’t play much doubles, but it’s pretty clear that Char Y is gonna be on 50% of the teams. And again that will bring rise to Tyranitar/MegaTTar being a solid counter. Weather, especially Sun will be predominant in X/Y compared to what was rain predominantly in BW/BW2.

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  11. Awkward… I’m ten feet away from an intersection and a car stops until I cross, even though I flag her through. We stare for like thirty seconds until I’m like fuck it.

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  12. I like using weather teams they are always so helpful stratigetic I love sun the most out of all… TIME FOR JUNGLE TOURNEY TRAINING

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  13. Hey dere everybody! Looks a bit dead here. Anyway, I finished training and evolving the first member of my PokeJungle team, and am moving on to my second today!

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  14. Ok, relevant to the topic, I think that sun is a staple weather for any team running a Venusaur, while not trying to give anyone any bright ideas, Noivern with Moonlight can be good, this does mean you get to miss out on Choice Specs, but this makes Noivern much more capable to hold of and wither away opponents… I wouldn’t generally worry about Stealth Rocks due to my P***m which has the most wonderful ability imo. Since it can also learn Moonlight, I’d definitely consider using the sun, but this also means I miss out on S*****i, whom you may know have swept many of your teams…

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  15. One batch of eggs down more to go -__- “on the bright side I need to breed more because I dont have the right nature and ability together” xD

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  16. I am IV checking what does this mean
    This pokemon has relatively superior stats potential overall
    Greatest in HP and
    Defense stat is good too
    Sp def seems just as good

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  17. What were we all up to today?
    I came back from school(Ages ago)
    I updated my Mac to OS X Mavericks
    I did not play any games for a notable time today
    And now at the end of my day, I’m here!

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  18. If people hear my history of video games, you’d think I’d be a person who would swear often… But awkwardly thats not the case apparently…

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  19. Wurmple bring it! Please my pokemon are secret so no tell.
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    Lets try this one more time, shall we?
    @hockerj23:disqus Please respond!

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  20. Does anyone have any spare IV sneasel or froakie?
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    Gonna finally try out miiverse!

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  21. Day 1: TC and Jordin posted similar comments regarding about something special that occurred today. TC was more specific, whereas Jordin was vague. They both seem to be inseparable, sort of like a doduo heads. Could they be the same person? Or are their minds connected stronger than Liza and Tate’s? * cough hoenn confirmed cough* . I shall continue my investigation.

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  22. Your attention is needed at this moment in time. We are not the same person and it was all a December fools joke. Carry on now! 😀

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  23. I’ll take that as a confession considering you both posted a public service announcement that you guys are not the same person, thus making you the same person. I mean you BOTH said December fools joke.

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  24. Can someone do something questionable so I can conspire against you? Maybe like “They Mystery of Xatu’s Lost Pants” or something? 😛

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      • I agree. I tried to masuda it and gave up on hatching eggs. atleast i got a nice male out of it with good ivs lol. just can’t seem to get this damn espurr for anything lol.

        if you or anyone else comes across one, i’m offering shiny froakie + a few others for it.

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          • jesus. I found 18 in friend safari but then my luck stopped at that. no more appear for me in safari lol. spent 2 hours in psychic safari last night no hope.

          • I spent 4 hours using Sweet Scent trying to find shiny Nidoran Male. I was about to call quit when the shiny appeared. I love my shiny Nidoking.

  25. Watching Marriland’s Wonder Trade Wednesday and trading at the same time, and every time I see someone from NY appear on his stream, I get upset that’s not me xD

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  26. And for my last Wonder Trade of the night, I get a Japanese, Jolly, Regenerator Mienfoo with perfect HP, Defense, and Special Defense.

    But the great Chespin army still looms large…

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          • XD If I wasn’t gathering competitively useful shiny, I would have gotten all of them. I love my 5 perfect IVs shiny Weavile and my 4 perfect IVs shiny Deino.

          • i’m jealous of your deino. if you ever consider trading it for a 3IV shiny froakie let me know lol.

            and some of my shinies are competitive, others It didn’t bother me if they were or not. I just love that their shiny and still manageable haha.

          • I have a shiny 5 iv pidove with hypnosis/night slash and super luck that i cant wait to use competitively. I never saw this set/shiny ever.

          • Yeah, right now my 5IVs shiny Weavile is on my team. Can’t wait to evolve Deino and battle with it. I was going to call my shiny Hawlucha Batman, but it was a female..

          • I have two shiny competitive hawlucha’s but im saving 1 for the next game(s) adventure playthrough haha. The other is currently on my team and dominates. Along with my shiny mega scizor which is a menace online.

          • Can your shiny Mega Scizor stands against my shiny Volcarona and Chandelure? X) I battle with my whole team shiny, so people won’t look down upon them because they think they’re pure luck and nothing else special.

          • My Shiny Hawlucha can stand against them lol. I have 40 or 50 something shinies so i can definitely make a shiny team to battle with, just have to finish training a few

  27. Another feature that I love about XY is that you can Use/Give item on a poke, and go to TMs, and it’ll highlight all the TMs in ur pouch that its capable of learning. So cool and much easier to figure out what it can learn.

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  28. Fun Question of the day: List you favorite stats in order of favorites!
    As many have guessed for me:
    1. HP
    2. Def
    3. SpDef
    4. Atk
    5. Sp.Atk
    6. Speed

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  29. I wonder traded with a japanese person. I got an American weedle. It was named caterpie. Probably the biggest slap in the face possible.

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  30. Is it just me, or are Mareep hordes irritating wit dey Cotton Spore, TWave, Growl and Tshock. And that’s just when they actually show up

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  31. I saw a post on reddit of some disqus comments from some time ago. I recognized them immediately as poke jungle comments. I saw daedardus and TCMets asking some guy called “IAmTheLeaker” about leaks. That guy was full of crap.

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  32. No numbers/proof = BS. the thaw rate/heat wave accuracy seems total BS. Other than that the rest of the points were known before 6th gen. Unless you can provide proof I will be firm on my opinion.

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