Six months. Half a year. It’s still a long wait until X & Y release internationally and everyone is eagerly waiting new information about the games. In this new feature we plan to propose and explore ideas with our readers about what we would like to see in the new games, you will help shape this series.
In this first episode we’re going to take a look at the possibilities for the X & Y Starter Pokémon: Chespin, Fennekin & Froakie, as well as their evolutions. This feature is a discussion series, we’re encouraging you to get talking and debating in the comments below, the more the merrier!
As usual, remember this is all opinion and other than the information we have officially confirmed none of this is fact. We could find this information out sooner than we think. Hiro (the person behind the current touchy Fairy Type situation) has said that he was going to reveal the types for the starter evolutions, but decided against it and is saving it for now. Take that as you please.
So, what next? Below are two proposals for discussion and exploration, you can answer in anyway you please. Your reply can be completely outrageous, just remember anything can happen. All the input and exploration that happens here will shape future episodes so be sure to get your two cents in…
When X & Y were first revealed we got a glimpse of what could possibly be a hint toward the secondary typing of the 6th Generation starter evolutions. Many people people speculated that the starters themselves would be dual-typed, but this turned out to be untrue. Those types were Grass/Dark, Fire/Psychic and Water/Fighting. These secondary types would each create another type triangle between the starters, although it wouldn’t have provided any sort of advantage between the starters.
The first proposal here is that we say those types are what the starters evolutions turn out to have: Chespin’s evolution/s will be Grass/Dark, Fennekin’s evolution/s will have Fire/Psychic typing and Froakie’s will gain Fighting type in addition to water. How would those types effect the appearance or ‘role’ those Pokémon take? Will Froakie turn into yet another bulky Water type? Please don’t! Power through Speed is an interesting concept, rather than having its final form being a big muscular fighting frog use the speed we’ve already witnessed from the trailer and have it remain nimble and swift, a skinny tall frog if you like. That’s just a personal opinion though. We want to hear from you guys how you think the Pokémon should look with these types, what ‘roles’ should they take on and why? Explore all the possibilities you can!
Those types moves could have been anything though, right? Just because a Pokémon uses a specific move of a certain type doesn’t mean that Pokémon is part that type does it? No. For proposal number two we’re going to ignore those moves and the types we believe they represented, taking them as nothing but coincidence. The types for the starters could be anything, but what? It’s a known thing that people are beginning to grow tired of the usual Fire/Fighting type starter, so what should replace it? Or should the starters remain single-typed in all of their forms? Again, we want you to get talking and discuss any possibilities you want.
Proposal three? Who knows! Perhaps one of our readers can think up something better than the two we already have… This article is only a short one, but the fun starts when we begin exploring possibilities in the comments, your input is what will make this feature work. Our favourite replies and opinions will be featured in the next episode alongside staff responses to them, we’re expecting some good stuff here guys!
Chespin evo. – Grass/Ground. It has those same kind of claw, drill thing like drilbur as feet and I really don’t like the Grass/Dark idea for some reason.
Fennekin evo. – Fire/Psychic or Fire/Ghost
Froakie evo. – Water/Fighting
Soooooo!
Chespin- could go Grass/dark,steel or ground
Fennekin- Fire/psychi, pure fire or new type (Fairy/mystical)
Froakie- Water/fighting,poison or pure water
Okay so I’ll just go through my opinions on a few different typings, a lot of which people have already suggested and all here.
First off, Fennekin
Fire/Ghost – Though I like the idea of it evolving into a kyuubi/kitsune, ninetales is pretty much based on that and I feel mythological animals don’t have as much room for multiple pokemon as normal ones. Also, I feel the Litwick family should keep it’s unique typing to itself.
Fire/Psychic – Pretty much the first and most common idea for it. I guess it would be cool, and it could still go along the kitsune line, but hopefully without more tails and adding atleast 33% of something else.
Fire/Flying – Because Tails. Yes, I know that would probably mean more tails again, but it could just grow it’s ear tufts out and use them. I’d really like this one, even though Charizard’s already that type combo.
Fire/Poison or Fire/Ice – I haven’t thought these through, but looking at all remaining combinations for Fire, Water and Grass, eliminating all with each other and which in my opinion wouldn’t fit the design, I was left with these two, both of which incidentally are of Fire. Though they are less likely to work, both of these are combinations which I think would be utterly cool. Especially the ice one *snicker*
Fire – Frankly I think each of them could do with staying pure, like Gen II. Though I guess a big fox would be boring.
Alright, Chespin
Grass/Ground – Digging, drilling, whatever. Not to keen on this one. Torterra’s the same. And we just had Drilbur/Excadrill as drilling Ground-type rodents.
Grass/Rock – I’ve always considered Rock and Ground to be so similar. I often get confused between the two. But looking into it a bit I would prefer this over the previous typing. Can’t figure out what it would look like.
Grass/Dark – I don’t really have much of an opinion on this, though I wouldn’t mind it.
Grass/Steel – Doable, but it’d only be fun if the steel wasn’t just a giant grey metal armor or grey metal parts or stuff. Empoleon was half-steel and I’ve always loved it’s design. Not that its the only Steel type to pull off little or no grey (Does anyone know why Jirachi is part Steel? I still don’t). So, make the green bits metal? Will do.
Grass/Flying – HELICOPTER HAT PLEASE
Grass – I find it to be the least likely of the three to be pure-typed. ‘Nuff said.
Finally, the awesome little Froakie
Water/Fighting – Imagine, “Hello, my good sir, may I interest you in some tea and MEGAPUNCH!” A gentleman brawler frog. That’d be nice.
Water/Dark – Take Froakie’s kindly image and make it more sinister.
Water/Electric – I quite like this idea, though the image of it on a thundercloud rings Thundurus to me, who also happens to have similar coloration. But good designing could definitely make it work.
Water/Flying – Why do I want so much Flying? Though yeah the cloud makes this very likely. This could work on a similar vein as Electric I guess. Or go in a different direction and SPROUT CLOUD WINGS!
Water/Ice – Plausible. But I wouldn’t prefer it.
Water – What if the cloud like thing is just froth? Then it just goes water all the way. Like maybe a liquidy, translucentish body?
And that’s my opinion. Didn’t realise it was so big :/
Chespin：I think the Grass/Steel is very interesting, feel like Excadrill.
Fennekin：Really, I just don’t want it to be like the Ninetales,so Fire/Psychic should good.
Froakie：I think it may be pure-typed, although can’t say why…
I’m suspecting:
Chespin-
Hope: Fast Grass/Steel
Expect: Pure Grass.
Fennekin-
Hope: for Fire/Ice(Essentially, cross the Desert-living Fennec with the Arctic Fox)
Fire/Flying: I can see it’s evolutions get bigger and bigger ears, eventually using those to fly.
Froakie
Hope: Water/Normal(special sweeper) wtih an emphasis on music(Frog Song).
Expect: Pure Water.
I agree with everyone of your hopes and expectations except the hope for froakie as then it wouldn’t have more advantages but more weaknesses.
Water/Normal is a pretty great offensive combo.
All of these evolutionary ideas are interesting but somewhere in their biology is bound to give off some kind of hint of physical change for example:
Chespin: the OBVIOUS spiny Chestnut hat, ever notice when it engages in battle the bulbous appendages sharpens up into pins and reverts when idle
also the noticeably red color on its slender non-mammalian tail could indicate something like a plant bud or developing thorn
and lastly the long nails on its feet seeing how its paws lack any features
Fennekin: not too many indicators except the ear fluff and fur quills, but with so little features an idea of what could happen is vague
Froakie: obvious fluffy white substance ruffled around its neck and back is bound to link up to evolutionary change, maybe it stores oxygen like a pair of external lungs and are connected to the cute little bubbles on its nose like a big cloudy balloon that inflates or similar to a panpour to store moisture to venture onto land without dehydrating
But i could be wrong all of us could either hit the nail on the head or miss completely in the direction of these starters
but i hold no hate to how a Pokemon turns out (If you loved it pre-evolved you’ll love it no matter what it looks like)
Just from the little information we have from generation 6 I would be happy with the starters staying a single type. We don’t need to over complicate things but as fans we can’t help it, it’s just something we as fans will do and will continue doing as more Pokemon come in the future.
What I would like to see otherwise would be ANYTHING other then a fire/fighting type again on Fennekin. I along with most fans are sick of it and need a change after all this time. I would just like to see fire/psychic destroy the past starters so we trainers can take out our rage at Game Freak XD. I would also not mind a fire/ground or fire/ghost.
For Chespin I would be happy with anything. I would like to see it as Grass/Dark just because I think it would be cool to have a grass/dark type again and so in the anime we can see something so cute turn into something with a dark sense of humor. Otherwise I would be happy with pure grass as it evolves or maybe add a ground typing. But who knows?
Lastly with Froakie i have had mixed thoughts on its typing. I would be fine with it being pure water like Oshawott and its evolutions but I also would like to see it have a flying, or fighting type. With it being fighting type it would add to a reverse circle for typing that I think would be a great change that most fans are already hoping they predicted.
We will all learn the truth in time so it’s always great to hear people’s thoughts about a new generation. I have been doing this since generation 3 and I hope Game Freak does something new that will help X and Y be remembered for years to come.
Ok happy I found this. I thought through all the clutter it got lost. I’m just going to repost this to have it be shown as me.
Just a thought, they did a similar thing last gens trailer. They gave Pokabu( now tepig) assurance and everyone thought it would be dark. Pokemon like winding people up, as seen with the last fire types ending up part fighting.
I find the whole thing with dark fight psychic okay, but they don’t interest me as much. I want some unusual typings. I’d love fennekin in to be part ghost, or even part electric. Something strange and new. Chespin maybe steel poison or dark. Froakie electric maybe, flying, poison. If I’m honest, I preferred last gens starters. They were more interesting animals. We’ve had so many foxes…. So many frogs… So many rodent things. But then again we’ve had a lot of pigs, but tepig looked different. I hope something weird and cool happens to the starters. And also. I would love a legendary quadruple Pokemon based of Harry potter houses. Perhaps all with extreme stats like deoxys.
In all honesty though, I’d love it if Chespin became part Steel, Dark, Ghost, Dragon or Ground. Just SOMETHING that would make it stray from the whole Sunny Day/Chlorophyll or SubSeeder that Grass types usually are.
Fennikin is just a classic fox. I can see part Psychic, Ghost or Dark. I’d love to see it if they went with a different direction and made it something unexpected. Hey, it could even be part Fairy xD
I’m not really a fan of Water types, and Froakie’s frogginess seems overdone, kinda like foxes. Like others, I can see part Flying, Ice or Fighting. Poison and Electric are just types I can’t see. Fairy could fit this one too, maybe going with a “Prince Charming” kind of gimmick.
I don’t care about the others as much, but I would love it if Chespin became more than the generic Grass type.
they will probably never make a dragon type starter. dragons are supposed to be hard to catch, and are usually not available early in the games for a reason, because they kick ass so much. thats why the final gym leaders and elite four normally use dragon types. so little hope for the chespin dream.
I merely mentioned Dragon because Grass/Dragon is something I’d love to see. If any of the Grass Starters were to be Dragon, it would be Sceptile x)
oh i see. and secptile and charizard are probably the only two that could even be remotely dragon type
If you hate water types I hate you,
I said I wasn’t a fan, not that I hated them.
Usually the wimpiest looking starter has the meanest final evolution, which is why I think Fennekin will be either ghost or dark if they have second types, I think those types of pokemon can look more aggressive than psychic types.
Hey which of these starter evos do you prefer?
http://images.4chan.org/vp/src/1367634891122.jpg
or
http://gangstalizard950.deviantart.com/art/Starter-Final-Evos-Fan-Made-369515660?q=gallery%3Agangstalizard950&qo=0
The first one, ’cause they neither fattened Froakie nor armoured Chespin.
My best guess would be Grass/Steel (steel spikes for spines), Fire/Ground (desert fox), and Water/Poison (blue poison dart frog). These type combinations nicely complement each other too.
Man do I hope Chespin’s final evo is as cool as Sceptile’s, because if not, I really don’t know who I’m gonna pick starter wise
Im getting tired of the made-up notion that Psy/Dark/Fight are some kind of trio and need to be featured as such… and ushow up in speculation every gen even after it never happens one gen after another.
And then there is every fakemon artist and their mother adding these types to their fake-starters, which probably just makes gamefreak reconsider any inclination they might have ever had of actually doing this, and instead do their own thing (you know, like designing the starters for months to make sure they are quality and THEN adding any secondary types if necessary and even then something that works without stealing the primary starter types show)
I think Fennekin’s tail is a lotus bud and it’ll “bloom” and will gain a Psychic type.
Froakie,in my opinion,will evolve into a salamander,than into dragon…Water/Electric,or Water/Flying…something to do with the weather
And Chespin…hmmm.Maybe a secondary Fighting type.Or even Rock type since it might be based on the first mammals.Its design is really vague.
Well, I think that if this “fairy type” ends up being real, that Fennekin’s final stage would likely have it as its secondary typing. Just something about foxes makes me think “spiritual”, and as stated in the fairy type article, fairy means something more like that in japanese.
If not, I think it’ll be Fire/Psychic, just because that’s the vibe I get when I look at it. I don’t know how else to explain it.
But hey, we’ll see.
Just from the little information we have from generation 6 I would be happy with the starters staying a single type. We don’t need to over complicate things but as fans we can’t help it, it’s just something we as fans will do and will continue doing as more Pokemon come in the future.
What I would like to see otherwise would be ANYTHING other then a fire/fighting type again on Fennekin. I along with most fans are sick of it and need a change after all this time. I would just like to see fire/psychic destroy the past starters so we trainers can take out our rage at Game Freak XD. I would also not mind a fire/ground or fire/ghost.
For Chespin I would be happy with anything. I would like to see it as Grass/Dark just because I think it would be cool to have a grass/dark type again and so in the anime we can see something so cute turn into something with a dark sense of humor. Otherwise I would be happy with pure grass as it evolves or maybe add a ground typing. But who knows?
Lastly with Froakie i have had mixed thoughts on its typing. I would be fine with it being pure water like Oshawott and its evolutions but I also would like to see it have a flying, or fighting type. With it being fighting type it would add to a reverse circle for typing that I think would be a great change that most fans are already hoping they predicted.
We will all learn the truth in time so it’s always great to hear people’s thoughts about a new generation. I have been doing this since generation 3 and I hope Game Freak does something new that will help X and Y be remembered for years to come.
I’d love to see the final starter Grass/Dark – Fire/Psychic – Water/Fighting that’s my personal thoughts and I leave there image or shape to the fan and the creator that have better imagination than me.
I want something unique like emploeon and torterra’s typing’s (water/steel and grass/ground respectively) and a fire type that isn’t going to be dual typed as fighting… it was cool in third, but 5th… really? But I would also be happy if they just stayed pure types like from HGSS… I also think that we need another starter that gains the flying type again…
I’d love Fennekin to be Fire/Ground or Fire/Ice with Magic Guard. Fire/Ground is a fairly decent STAB combo, while Fire/Ice has quite a lot of things that it can at least neutral. With Thunderbolt, that’d make (near?) Perfect coverage!
my thoughts. Water/Poison. Fire/Electric. Grass/Ground. to not only balance weakness but to also balance secondary types as well.
Hey, just a heads up, you seem to have a little trouble with its and it’s, both this post and the Norse Mythology one have at least one instance of using the wrong one. “It’s” means “it is”, so “It’s final form” means “it is final form”. Not quite what you’re going for, methinks.
It’s more the fact that autocorrect has a little trouble with its and it’s. And both articles have different authors 😉
Froakie:
I believe Froakie to be based upon, Dendrobates Azureus,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dendrobates_azureus
This animal is a branch of the poison dart frog family, it is a blue frog.
An interesting characteristic of poison dart frogs is how they care for their young, carrying them upon their backs in bubble which look like white clouds.
If this is the case I can see Froakie’s white patches going to grey, then black as it evolves to more closely resemble Dendrobates Azureus.
This would suggest to me a Water/Poison typing.
Chespin:
It is of my believe that Chespin is based up one a hedgehog combined with a chesnut.
I however believe similar to how Torterra and Sceptile base stages are a turtle and gecko respectively evolving to much larger creatures, (Ankylosaurus and a cross between Dilophosaurusand a Tree Gecko). I believe Chespin’s final stage will be based upon a Glyptodont,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glyptodontidae
This would be in keeping with GF’s tradition of final stages of grass starters being based upon extinct animals. Glyptodont also shares many design similarities with Chespin, in particular how they both wear caps.
If this is correct I theorise that Chespin will share characteristics with the subspecies Doedicurus,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doedicurus
With its tail being coming a spikey club or possibly a poisonous flower
Another feature of Chespin is its chesnut feature, like a chesnut will eventually shed its green outer layer, it is possible Chespin’s design will do something similar leaving a rock hard brown shell.
This would suggest to me either a Grass/Poison typing or a Grass/Rock typing.
Fenniken:
Fenniken is obviously based upon a Fennec Fox, an animal local to the dessert, this suggests an infinity towards ground. What I do believe is possible is as many other pokemon designs change to represent different animals, Fenniken could change to incorporate more canine features. My primary view on this stems from GF’s tradition for using animals of the Chinese zodiac for fire starts coupled with the similarities between a fire/ground fox and the zodiac symbol for The Dog. The Dog is a symbol governed by the ground element whilst also has a cycle in the element of fire. Coupled with Fennec foxes are popular pets very much like dogs.
This to me would suggest a Fire/Ground typing.
Went on a bit there, sorry just couldn’t stop ^_^
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