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		By: Charon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Charon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2013 13:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://pokejungle.net/2013/01/04/generation-6-speculation-starters/#comment-48869&quot;&gt;Simon&lt;/a&gt;.

Yea, I have had a fakemon starter that turns Dark for a long time myself. I&#039;m not gonna say that its impossible we get a /Dark starter (unlike the other ones I mentioned), I just think that gamefreak would have done it already if they were okay with it, so I will assume it unlikely until I see it happen.

Not for pokemon per se man. I&#039;m talking explicitly about starters here, because they come about in a much longer process and are given way more thought and care.
I&#039;m not sure I get what you wanna say with the Gligar example.
But obviously they&#039;ll make an Electric Pokemon for the sake of having more Electric Pokemon etc.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://pokejungle.net/2013/01/04/generation-6-speculation-starters/#comment-48869">Simon</a>.</p>
<p>Yea, I have had a fakemon starter that turns Dark for a long time myself. I&#8217;m not gonna say that its impossible we get a /Dark starter (unlike the other ones I mentioned), I just think that gamefreak would have done it already if they were okay with it, so I will assume it unlikely until I see it happen.</p>
<p>Not for pokemon per se man. I&#8217;m talking explicitly about starters here, because they come about in a much longer process and are given way more thought and care.<br />
I&#8217;m not sure I get what you wanna say with the Gligar example.<br />
But obviously they&#8217;ll make an Electric Pokemon for the sake of having more Electric Pokemon etc.</p>
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		By: Waz		</title>
		<link>https://pokejungle.net/2013/01/04/generation-6-speculation-starters/#comment-48875</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2013 05:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Water Starters have all been based on animals adapted to both land and water living.]]></description>
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		By: Simon		</title>
		<link>https://pokejungle.net/2013/01/04/generation-6-speculation-starters/#comment-48869</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2013 02:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://pokejungle.net/2013/01/04/generation-6-speculation-starters/#comment-48836&quot;&gt;Charon&lt;/a&gt;.

Now for a real comment here, I think they should mix it up a bit more. Sure they did poison - flying on a starter. That was all well and good,but they done it. Time to move on .Realistically having a decent secondary typing 99% of the time is something most fans want. I totally agree with you on the types you have listed as ones that seem as &#039;&#039;flashy&#039;&#039; types bar the ice and bug type&#039;s wouldnt fit on a starter pokemon.

The dark type being &#039;&#039;evil&#039;&#039; has nothing to do with anything on a starter pokemon. People or kids are not going to not choose it due to a type that is considered evil. In fact the majority of people probably would enjoy the added dark type pokemon to the dex. And before any comments about dark pokemon not looking &#039;&#039;cute&#039;&#039; or small and fuzzy, we have zorua and poocheyena who are considered mean yet are &#039;&#039;cute&#039;&#039;.

I dont understand how you simply think that types are or arnt slapped onto a pokemon just because of what they are based on and chosen from. You cant honestly tell me when gligar was made then they thaught ok its going to be able to &#039;&#039;fly&#039;&#039; so lets do a completly mad move and go for a flying/ground type. Then for your arguement to say flashy secondary types are not added unless they are necessery. Because come on flying/ground is not necessary.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://pokejungle.net/2013/01/04/generation-6-speculation-starters/#comment-48836">Charon</a>.</p>
<p>Now for a real comment here, I think they should mix it up a bit more. Sure they did poison &#8211; flying on a starter. That was all well and good,but they done it. Time to move on .Realistically having a decent secondary typing 99% of the time is something most fans want. I totally agree with you on the types you have listed as ones that seem as &#8221;flashy&#8221; types bar the ice and bug type&#8217;s wouldnt fit on a starter pokemon.</p>
<p>The dark type being &#8221;evil&#8221; has nothing to do with anything on a starter pokemon. People or kids are not going to not choose it due to a type that is considered evil. In fact the majority of people probably would enjoy the added dark type pokemon to the dex. And before any comments about dark pokemon not looking &#8221;cute&#8221; or small and fuzzy, we have zorua and poocheyena who are considered mean yet are &#8221;cute&#8221;.</p>
<p>I dont understand how you simply think that types are or arnt slapped onto a pokemon just because of what they are based on and chosen from. You cant honestly tell me when gligar was made then they thaught ok its going to be able to &#8221;fly&#8221; so lets do a completly mad move and go for a flying/ground type. Then for your arguement to say flashy secondary types are not added unless they are necessery. Because come on flying/ground is not necessary.</p>
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		By: Charon		</title>
		<link>https://pokejungle.net/2013/01/04/generation-6-speculation-starters/#comment-48838</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2013 20:38:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oh and IVe also had this crazy idea lately about Grass starters and their constant reptile basis..

As you know, Fire changes to completely unrelated creatures in the animal kingdom (which happen to be featured on the chinese zodiac so far, but Im not sure whether that&#039;s intention or just random) and simialrly Water is more versatile too.

What if they merely intended for Grass to change at a slower pace for some philosophical reason LOL
Like, imagine the next one being a bird-reptile link based, and then for 2 gens or so, two more birds as Grass starters, afterwards shifting further into mammalian kingdom perhaps etc

I don&#039;t even take this serious myself, but thought Id share it anyway xDDD]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh and IVe also had this crazy idea lately about Grass starters and their constant reptile basis..</p>
<p>As you know, Fire changes to completely unrelated creatures in the animal kingdom (which happen to be featured on the chinese zodiac so far, but Im not sure whether that&#8217;s intention or just random) and simialrly Water is more versatile too.</p>
<p>What if they merely intended for Grass to change at a slower pace for some philosophical reason LOL<br />
Like, imagine the next one being a bird-reptile link based, and then for 2 gens or so, two more birds as Grass starters, afterwards shifting further into mammalian kingdom perhaps etc</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t even take this serious myself, but thought Id share it anyway xDDD</p>
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		By: Charon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Charon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2013 20:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Okay now a serious comment on the matter.

I see the approach this article took was by pondering about secondary types first and then tack on what could fit. While I tend to do that myself, I&#039;m pretty sure that is not how it works at Gamefreak xDDD
The design and inspiration are priority, also a sense of balance contrast an diversity between the three as a group.

The secondary types are probably rather just added where appropriate or where it doesn&#039;t feel forced but adds a bit of epicness.
IF THEY ARE THERE AT ALL.
I mean, sure. After Sinnoh went full party on this bit, people have been going wild with proposing combinations that would be the main attraction, especially the waaaay overused (in the fakemon community) Psy/Fight/Dark thing, which I find utterly boring to see on anyones fake starters at this point. Its been tried to death and its not even that great in practice.


Lets take a look at what really went on til now:
GEN I : Poison - Flying - /
Poison on Grass was almost a norm at the start and a combination that is quite self-explanatory.
If something gains wings, obviously you&#039;ll make it Flying.
So basically nothing fancy here, no special thoughts invested into whether there should be extra types.
GEN II: / - / - /
Ah the one gen that had all pure. I don&#039;t think it&#039;s a special case however. It just wasn&#039;t necessary. What I mean is, if Meganium gained wings theyd have made it Flying, so Im sure the mindset about this was still the same as gen I.
GEN III: / - Fighting - Ground
Suddenly, exotic types.
Here did we get types that people actually notice. I tend to think of them as a counter to having Grass/Poison in GEN I like its the most obvious and complementing combo said type could have.
I mean, Fire and Fighting, the word that comes to mind right away is offense, while Water and Ground feel like the most natural thing to combine just the same.
So yeah, things got interesting, but in a symbiotic manner..just adding the fitting &quot;physical&quot; side to the elemental main type.
GEN IV: Ground - Fighting - Steel
HERE secondary types became a main attraction. Each of the starters getting one, each of them an awesome one. I mean Steel is a viable option? It didn&#039;t even exist at the beginning lol.
GEN V: / - Fighting - /
Back to basics, obviously.
They took a bold step back, and even with the only combo thats in there, it happens to be exactly the one thats just been repeated due to blending so nicely. Although I know by now every single pokefan is saying &quot;jesus christ enough already.&quot; But I think of it right now as &quot;hey, it was probably just a matter of pure or Fighting, which was a 100% fit to its concept anyway.&quot;
So gen V, did nothing breathtaking here, just like gen I/II.

Now...
If youve been reading along, you might have realized that they don&#039;t just throw out flashy exotic types without a good reason.

While I think that what we&#039;ve seen so far, have all been viable possibilities for any of the types they didn&#039;t get used on yet
Poison, Flying, Fighting, Ground, Steel
I&#039;m quite convinced that several types will not be added to this list anytime soon (along with Normal which is basically the default type and doesn&#039;t make sense as secondary)
Namely:
-THATS A STARTER?
Bug, Ghost, Dragon
Because the starters are always land-dwelling great looking creatures. They have distinct personalities an something pet/bro-like about their appearance. A freaky insect, something undead, or as mythic as Dragons... will probably stay away from the first pokemon you choose to start your adventure with.
-FANCY ELEMENTAL SHOWSTEALING TYPES
Ice, Electric
The extra types have all been things that don&#039;t clash with the main types for attention.
I&#039;m not entirely sure how safe it is to assume this, but IMO Psychic falls into this category too.

One secondary type I only recently started doubting in is DARK.
(FYI: Dark is originally named the Evil type due to its focus being mean attacks, unfair and dishonest tactics, cheating etc.)
An argument for this might be Emboar. Being based on a pig-demon from the same chinese story as DBZ is based on, I would think they would have made it Dark if they considered that to be completely fine. But they went for Fighting another time instead.


So in the end, I guess the point I&#039;m trying to make is, don&#039;t get too excited for something crazy. Obviously they might really tack Fighting on Water or Grass for a change...but it all depends on what designs they picked first and foremost. Same for say Flying, or Poison. I&#039;d love to see either of those on starters ;)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay now a serious comment on the matter.</p>
<p>I see the approach this article took was by pondering about secondary types first and then tack on what could fit. While I tend to do that myself, I&#8217;m pretty sure that is not how it works at Gamefreak xDDD<br />
The design and inspiration are priority, also a sense of balance contrast an diversity between the three as a group.</p>
<p>The secondary types are probably rather just added where appropriate or where it doesn&#8217;t feel forced but adds a bit of epicness.<br />
IF THEY ARE THERE AT ALL.<br />
I mean, sure. After Sinnoh went full party on this bit, people have been going wild with proposing combinations that would be the main attraction, especially the waaaay overused (in the fakemon community) Psy/Fight/Dark thing, which I find utterly boring to see on anyones fake starters at this point. Its been tried to death and its not even that great in practice.</p>
<p>Lets take a look at what really went on til now:<br />
GEN I : Poison &#8211; Flying &#8211; /<br />
Poison on Grass was almost a norm at the start and a combination that is quite self-explanatory.<br />
If something gains wings, obviously you&#8217;ll make it Flying.<br />
So basically nothing fancy here, no special thoughts invested into whether there should be extra types.<br />
GEN II: / &#8211; / &#8211; /<br />
Ah the one gen that had all pure. I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a special case however. It just wasn&#8217;t necessary. What I mean is, if Meganium gained wings theyd have made it Flying, so Im sure the mindset about this was still the same as gen I.<br />
GEN III: / &#8211; Fighting &#8211; Ground<br />
Suddenly, exotic types.<br />
Here did we get types that people actually notice. I tend to think of them as a counter to having Grass/Poison in GEN I like its the most obvious and complementing combo said type could have.<br />
I mean, Fire and Fighting, the word that comes to mind right away is offense, while Water and Ground feel like the most natural thing to combine just the same.<br />
So yeah, things got interesting, but in a symbiotic manner..just adding the fitting &#8220;physical&#8221; side to the elemental main type.<br />
GEN IV: Ground &#8211; Fighting &#8211; Steel<br />
HERE secondary types became a main attraction. Each of the starters getting one, each of them an awesome one. I mean Steel is a viable option? It didn&#8217;t even exist at the beginning lol.<br />
GEN V: / &#8211; Fighting &#8211; /<br />
Back to basics, obviously.<br />
They took a bold step back, and even with the only combo thats in there, it happens to be exactly the one thats just been repeated due to blending so nicely. Although I know by now every single pokefan is saying &#8220;jesus christ enough already.&#8221; But I think of it right now as &#8220;hey, it was probably just a matter of pure or Fighting, which was a 100% fit to its concept anyway.&#8221;<br />
So gen V, did nothing breathtaking here, just like gen I/II.</p>
<p>Now&#8230;<br />
If youve been reading along, you might have realized that they don&#8217;t just throw out flashy exotic types without a good reason.</p>
<p>While I think that what we&#8217;ve seen so far, have all been viable possibilities for any of the types they didn&#8217;t get used on yet<br />
Poison, Flying, Fighting, Ground, Steel<br />
I&#8217;m quite convinced that several types will not be added to this list anytime soon (along with Normal which is basically the default type and doesn&#8217;t make sense as secondary)<br />
Namely:<br />
-THATS A STARTER?<br />
Bug, Ghost, Dragon<br />
Because the starters are always land-dwelling great looking creatures. They have distinct personalities an something pet/bro-like about their appearance. A freaky insect, something undead, or as mythic as Dragons&#8230; will probably stay away from the first pokemon you choose to start your adventure with.<br />
-FANCY ELEMENTAL SHOWSTEALING TYPES<br />
Ice, Electric<br />
The extra types have all been things that don&#8217;t clash with the main types for attention.<br />
I&#8217;m not entirely sure how safe it is to assume this, but IMO Psychic falls into this category too.</p>
<p>One secondary type I only recently started doubting in is DARK.<br />
(FYI: Dark is originally named the Evil type due to its focus being mean attacks, unfair and dishonest tactics, cheating etc.)<br />
An argument for this might be Emboar. Being based on a pig-demon from the same chinese story as DBZ is based on, I would think they would have made it Dark if they considered that to be completely fine. But they went for Fighting another time instead.</p>
<p>So in the end, I guess the point I&#8217;m trying to make is, don&#8217;t get too excited for something crazy. Obviously they might really tack Fighting on Water or Grass for a change&#8230;but it all depends on what designs they picked first and foremost. Same for say Flying, or Poison. I&#8217;d love to see either of those on starters 😉</p>
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		By: Shinobi M		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2013 17:15:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://pokejungle.net/2013/01/04/generation-6-speculation-starters/#comment-48784&quot;&gt;Simon&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks ^_^  Yea I know it would be unfair to have a dragon as a starter, what I meant was that the fire final evolution would be part dragon :3  Like when I first saw Charizard but no Charizard is only fire/flying D;  like come on game freak its clearly a dragon !!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://pokejungle.net/2013/01/04/generation-6-speculation-starters/#comment-48784">Simon</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks ^_^  Yea I know it would be unfair to have a dragon as a starter, what I meant was that the fire final evolution would be part dragon :3  Like when I first saw Charizard but no Charizard is only fire/flying D;  like come on game freak its clearly a dragon !!</p>
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		By: Simon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Simon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2013 14:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://pokejungle.net/2013/01/04/generation-6-speculation-starters/#comment-48732&quot;&gt;Davey&lt;/a&gt;.

Definatly this would make me happy :D Good typing and it shows that theres a little bit of input to please some fans out there that wanted to mix it up :D]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://pokejungle.net/2013/01/04/generation-6-speculation-starters/#comment-48732">Davey</a>.</p>
<p>Definatly this would make me happy 😀 Good typing and it shows that theres a little bit of input to please some fans out there that wanted to mix it up 😀</p>
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		By: Simon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Simon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2013 13:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://pokejungle.net/2013/01/04/generation-6-speculation-starters/#comment-48715&quot;&gt;Shinobi M&lt;/a&gt;.

I like those ideas,especially the grass :) The only thing is having a starter as part dragon type would be massively unfair to other starter pokemon. While the fanbase for a dragon-esque starter pokemon is high I doubt it would happen as the dragon type is  &#039;&#039; rare&#039;&#039; well ment to be rare :P 

We can only dream about dragon starter pokemon :D]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://pokejungle.net/2013/01/04/generation-6-speculation-starters/#comment-48715">Shinobi M</a>.</p>
<p>I like those ideas,especially the grass 🙂 The only thing is having a starter as part dragon type would be massively unfair to other starter pokemon. While the fanbase for a dragon-esque starter pokemon is high I doubt it would happen as the dragon type is  &#8221; rare&#8221; well ment to be rare 😛 </p>
<p>We can only dream about dragon starter pokemon 😀</p>
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		By: Mare		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2013 12:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So Starter!
Water: It&#039;s about time we get a Dolphin starter! Water-fighting type!
Fire: Lion or Tiger would be good! Fire-dark or steel
Grass: Koala or Bunny-rabit or Pegasus type! str8 grass or grass-flying :D]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Starter!<br />
Water: It&#8217;s about time we get a Dolphin starter! Water-fighting type!<br />
Fire: Lion or Tiger would be good! Fire-dark or steel<br />
Grass: Koala or Bunny-rabit or Pegasus type! str8 grass or grass-flying 😀</p>
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		By: Davey		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2013 05:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Maybe game Freak will mix the starter types with rumor starter types (Fighting, Psychic, Dark). It could go like this:
Grass/Fighting
Fire/Dark
Water/Psychic
Or something like that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe game Freak will mix the starter types with rumor starter types (Fighting, Psychic, Dark). It could go like this:<br />
Grass/Fighting<br />
Fire/Dark<br />
Water/Psychic<br />
Or something like that.</p>
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