rumours

Hey Pokéjunglers,
We have some fresh rumours for you, but first I urge you to read the below disclaimer, right after the spoiler.

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This generation we are faced with a predicament regarding rumours. Since Pokémon X and Pokémon Y are announced to be simultaneously released globally, it is not impossible, or even unlikely that rumours would appear that were not originally from a Japanese source.

Why does this matter you ask? Because in previous generations it was usually very easy to separate the fake from the real for things that weren’t originally from 2channel by looking at the original Japanese source that they claimed they translated from. Usually the Japanese would be amateurish and a product of a shoddy attempt at Google translate, hence even a novice translator would be able to confirm it as fake.

This time round however, it will now be a lot easier for people to make convincing fake pictures and info since they are free to do so in their own language, and it not be considered suspicious. In the past, 99% of information from non-Japanese sources proved to be fake (with one particularly famous exception) though we will not have the benefit of knowing that this time. This is both a good thing and a bad thing, since there are at least 6 other languages in which leaks may come to us now, though in turn it will become phenomenally harder for us to decipher what is fake and what is real.

Here are the rumours, courtesy of 4chan, where no significant Pokémon leaks have ever been found. Needless to say,  that they are most likely fake. I will add my commentary so read along with me! 🙂 Thanks to Ryuusei for pointing out these rumours to us!

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“Due to the “world wide” release of Pokémon X/Y, pre-release information that at this time would usually be reserved for the Japanese branch of the Pokémon Company is now present among the localization departments of the other regions as well (such as NOA, where I am situated), and I have actually seen the full roster of new Pokémon as have quite a few people worldwide due to the difficulty regarding keeping everything under wraps. Thus, I can share a bit of preliminary information about new Pokémon appearing in X/Y.
Kriff: It seems they’re pushing the “Pokémon is global now so even though its 4chan it’s not a lie!”. It is very well calculated in trying to get this across, making it more suspicious than if they just wrote the facts out. 

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  • More than 100 new Pokémon.Kriff: A believable number.
  • There are indeed new evolutions and pre-evolutions, most of them focused on Gen V Pokémon. However, a few older Pokémon, including Gen I classics, are getting surprising new developments.Kriff: Mostly Gen five Pokémon having evolutions sounds quite believable.
  • No new types, but there are “Cross-bred” Pokémon introduced. Certain father/mother breeding pairs will result in a visually distinct child, who will be the mother’s species, but will, for example, have a pattern reminiscent of its father or a slightly altered color scheme. This is basically the new Gender Difference and is simply an aesthetic bonus, nothing extreme and only certain pairings result in this…the Pokemon is still considered the species of its mother, it’s not a new species. One example I can give is that it is possible to get certain Pokemon sporting Pikachu’s red cheeks.Kriff: OK. So this was a rumour that 4chan had already given us back when HeartGold and SoulSilver were announced. Spiky Ear Pichu lead the way for many rumours of Pokémon that would gain distinctive features when bread from parents that were not the same Pokémon. This part makes the rumour lose most of it’s believability.
  • The Starters become Grass/Steel, Fire/Psychic, and Water/Electric. They’re inspired by various European-centric archetypes…Chespin becomes a knight with chestnut armor, Fennekin a wizard with a majestic fur cloak, and Froakie a Nordic Viking with a thunder-cloud mullet/beard combo.Kriff: Not entirely out of the question. Still, it’s very detailed information. This person who claims they work at NOA are surely putting their job on the line at this point? I’m just not buying it.
  • Xerneas is Ice/Steel, and Yveltal is Fire/Dark. They have a unique ability where they can shift types with each other, Xerneas becoming red and Fire/Steel, and Yveltal becoming blue and Ice/Dark. Supposedly, Game Freak chose the typings in part due to members of the team being fans of R.R. Martin’s A Song of Ice and Fire, among other reasons.Kriff: OK. OK. Why does someone from NOA have an idea about Gamefreaks tastes and hobbies!? This rumour is just getting fishier and fishier.
  • Normal: Kendama-based Pokémon. Its main body rides atop a giant ball.
    Kriff: Here’s a Kendama.
  • Grass: A black-bear whose body is made of berries.
  • Fire: Pintata Bull with horns that are torches.Kriff: What’s a Pintata? Oh right, Pinata!
  • Water: Sea-bird. Looks like a socialite due to a feather that looks like an ascot.
  • Electric: A poodle whose fluffy-parts are statically-charged fur.
    Kriff: Eww. “Fluffy-parts”.
  • Bug: Millipede, besides the head its long body is made of bubbles
  • Flying: A peacock with a tail that’s a harp.
  • Steel: A female-like Pokémon whose long hair is made of long, steel cables.
  • Rock: A rock-based snail, its got a bell for a shell, and its body looks like a cathedral.
  • Ground: An elephant whose body is covered in hardened mud-armor, more realistic looking than Donphan.
  • Psychic: An “Arabian” Pokemon wrapped in a brightly-colored carpet clothing.
  • Dark: Raccoon. Its tail serves as a burglar sack, and it’s got a stylish black mask.Kriff: A racoon burglar is quite an American concept. But not entirely out of the question.
  • Poison: Little purple lizard, it swings its (very large) broken tail around like a huge club.
  • Fighting: A very weird Pokémon who resembles a giant, living sneaker. Cooler looking than it sounds.
  • Ice: A Snowman with coal on its head looking like the incense marks Shaolin Monks have.Kriff: I’ve seen this guys done his research. You’d thing he was the one who designed it himself!
  • Ghost: A kasa-obake (umbrella ghost) that’s brightly colored and “fancy” looking.Kriff: A “Kasa kozou” as it more often called by Japanese natives,  is a popular concept we saw fakes for in the past. Here’s a pic.
  • Dragon: A Kirin that looks like a dragonic-unicorn.”Kriff: A Kirin here.

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In conclusion, though some parts seem somewhat believable, overall it is just too fishy and too similar to lies we have seen in the past.

What do you guys think about reliability? Any ideas you liked or disliked?

Kriffix, Moving, Dae

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  • DLBlaze

    I hope the peacock pokemon rumor is true! I’ve been waiting for a peacock pokemon 😀

    Everything seems so fishy though

  • lies, lies, lies

  • Matt

    These honestly seem like fakemon that someone who can use google images for inspiration would design. I hope none of them are true except for the new evos and prevos one.

    • But Pokemon like Flygon are perfectly capable of flight, even though it is a Dragon/Ground type. Not saying these are believable, because most sound like total BS, but there are definitely possibilities and alternatives to what may seem obvious.

  • It’s just another “I work for TPCi/NoA” troll, these kinds of people pop up all the time on sites like 4chan, and are often 95% false, besides, most Game Freak/TPCi/NoA employees aren’t so public and prefer to keep things under wraps until the game is out.

    Some parts sound reasonable and believable, but most of it is just ridiculous, especially the typings that he claims the legendaries have, Xerneas being Ice/Steel gives it two quadrupled weaknesses, and Yveltal being Fire/Dark scratches out the fact that it flies (unless it has levitate, which is unlikely on a legendary mascot that usually tends to have their own abilities.

    I do like some of the concepts he has for the Gen 6 Pokemon, I like the “arabian” psychic type (a genie Pokemon perhaps?) the raccoon, and the kirin Pokemon, but some of the concepts seem too far fetched, like the berry bear, the pinata bull, and the electric poodle (sounds like Mareep, but as a dog). Also, a shoe Pokemon, seriously? An idea like that makes Garbodor look like Reshiram in comparison. But then again, it’s Pokemon, and virtually anything can be made into one, so it’s not that big of a deal unless it looks utterly ridiculous.

    The starters’ typing seem okay enough, but I’m not keeping my hopes up for typings like that, or even the concepts he has made for them, like the “Thor-Frog” idea he has for Froakie’s evolution.

  • belmad

    I always think Electric type is one of the main elemental types along with fire,water and grass; so I do not think of any starter gaining electric type. But this is just my thought.

  • Am I the only one who thought of the Mareep line when I read about the poodle? I don’t believe GameFreak would rip themselves off…

    • Freedom

      What about Luvdisc and Alomomola? I think anything is possible here.

  • Waz

    Honestly the most skeptical part about this is the fact he has seen all of the new Pokemon, but only told us about a handful. And did not give the exact number of Pokemon either.

    • Waz

      And the fact he didn’t give an exact number of new Pokemon, though he has seen them all.

  • Trilldelsol

    Deff. Lies! Why not include region or character info?! Seems extra fishy just to get us hyped. Although I do like the ideas of the rumors for the starters. Wizard, Viking, n knight pretty cool euro concepts.

  • Freedom

    Honestly, these rumors make me happy just because I like Pokemon news! IF they prove to be true, I wouldn’t be upset, it would make sense for pokemon to be more material based, as the years go on in the games, the pokemon would adapt to our manufactured world. Anyway, I’d like to think Nintendo has a lot of Gen 6 stuff under lock and key considering we were totally thrown off by the Gen 6 announcement in the first place. Am I right?

  • Riser47

    I saw this early today and was thinking of posting it on mt.moon. Honestly some of these designs sound appealing to me and quite detailed but I’m still skeptical. I would say that a shoe pokemon obviously makes it fake but seeing to many weird designs come out of Gamefreak would make the concept plausible. An electric poodle i could definitely see.

  • briant

    Most of these sound like lies but i love seeing these rumors because it gets me even more excited about pokemon. But seriously though….a shoe pokemon??? I think we have until the 20-something generation to expect more household items as pokemon….i like the peacock idea though 🙂

  • Urf…i’ve never liked the whole cross breed idea..sure it’s more realistic but I think it’d get a bit tedious and kinda weird. Though I like their spin on it more with just little patterns added instead of like fused body parts a lot of people seem to want ene.

    I’m all for the peacock and racoon designs those are really the only two that seemed like a decent idea to me…huge no to the snowman pokemon.xD

    Heres to some more rumors! ovo/

  • ze spoilere spectre

    MThese are lies
    There will be no poodles or flying shoes
    However
    xerneas will be grass type
    Yveltal will be fire type
    ??? Will be water type
    The 3 legends tie in together
    Although in x and y the 3rd will be post main story and only accessible if one has caught xerneas and yveltal.
    The character customization will activate partially after obtaining the second badge. After the fourth badge you will encounter the join avenue where you can buy clothes and accessories.
    Other clothes and accessories are unlocked as you achieve new titles ( which are linked to anything from gym rebattles, to elite four, to online communications)
    There will be no evolutions to gen 5 pokemon.

    • Similarity

      I assume this is a joke. Just saying “these are wrong but mine are correct because they just are” is not a very convincing argument.

  • n7h0n

    Mm… I dunno, maybe the Wizard, Viking & Knigt sounds like a good idea For the starters trío, ’bout the types of Xerneas & Yveltal not to very well, and finally all the others rumors sounds like 3 years ago when the fanarts came ruled the wordl

  • Fantastic

    I hope none of this is true all of it sounds terrible. (with the exception of one or two things)

  • Iwray

    … Am I the only one that likes the dragon unicorn idea?…

  • Fuzzlekins

    This has to be fake, the “cross-bred Pokemon” and the typing for the legendary Pokemon just seems way too outlandish. Besides, if it’s coming from 4chan, that just makes it even less reliable.

    I wouldn’t mind the peacock or the racoon Pokemon being real, but they both sound like things that any Fakemon creator could come up with.

  • I like the Chespin Knight idea. And although rumors are rumors, they’re still a good read, no?

    They never said that this was a “fresh start” like Gen V was, so evos and prevos seem likely. Although Gen I evos seem interesting enough.

    The Cross Breeding idea although seems like a wonderful concept, although it’s been rumored about before. I’d love to see a Tauros and Miltank baby xD

  • Garceus

    Some good ideas here. Certainly to be taken with a grain of salt, but there’s no harm reading these things and discussing them. It gives us something to do between official announcements.

    Either that or building a time machine to fast forward to October, but I don’t know anyone who’s that close yet.

  • Regarding the raccoon thing, not necessarily an american concept, cause the guy could have just meant a tanuki. The burglar-sack “tail” of course being in place of *something else* which they wouldn’t be able to put into the games.
    One thing which I think tells this off as a rumour is that there’re are so many Japanese-culture influenced pokemon described (kendama, kasa-obake, kirin, and considering the raccoon to be a tanuki), which you’d assume to be less of considering the games are set n Europe.

    • belmad

      But in Unova, there were lots of Pokemon that is not based on American culture. Actually none of the starters were based on it, they were related to Japanese,Chinese and French culture.

      • Kriffix

        Wasn’t Snivy just based on Western Culture in general?

        • belmad

          European/French to be exact.

          • Kriffix

            Ah, news to me 🙂

    • Kriffix

      I mean Racoon=Burglar is an American concept.
      But yes, it’d be interesting if they combined it with a Racoon Dog’s other “sack” and spliced the two concepts lol. It’s definitely not impossible.

  • Missingno. Master

    Hmm… It is pretty fishy, but then, who’s to say that GameFreak won’t go with ideas that have been popular fakes in the past? There’s no telling either way until we get official confirmation.

  • “Also, a shoe Pokemon, seriously? An idea like that makes Garbodor look like Reshiram in comparison.”

    While I believe these are all obviously fake, I can’t believe people still think Garbodor is a bad idea. Garbage monsters are CLASSIC, they’re in tons of manga, anime and video games and are always a cool, fun, badass concept. I waited since gen 1 to see one in pokemon and they far surpassed my expectations with a distinctive and charming design.

    Reshiram, like most legendaries and dragons, is so forgettable I had to google it to remember what it was. Another boring, generic, technorganic dragon-beast-thing pulled from the mind of some adolescent japanophile.

    lol @ american fans instantly loving the same stupid dragons and anthro foxes over and over but harping on actually interesting ideas like Garbodor or even Jynx to this very day.

  • Roy_Vos

    Hey people i found more rumors. Ive seen them before so thats the reason why i post this here :p
    Love the amount of pokemon, and the massive map. The rest of it sucks hard :p

    Information to be released at the Japan World Hobby Fair, followed by an English-language Nintendo Direct on Saturday, January 26th.

    -164 Pokémon during the main game’s Pokédex. Total of 813. 3 secret, #810-813.
    -Pokémon #810, star of movie along with Genesect. Zzaxis, Psychic/Electric type, based on Higgs Boson. Special ability creates Trick Room.
    -Gym Leaders of Poison, Steel, Fighting, Ground.
    -Non-linear gameplay path differing by version. Begin in same town but follow different route to the end.
    -Major area, new Cycling Road. Based on Tour de France.
    -Villain team, “Team Helix.” Military themed. Leader is female, Colonel Zenia. Wish to capture Xerneas/Yveltal to make their Pokémon stronger to conquer region.
    -Professor is also female, Professor Yew. Dr. Eibe in Japanese. Very European in appearance.
    -Xerneas, Normal type, found at Origin Tree. Yveltal, Flying type, found at Needle of the Sky. Both have ability, “Gene Donor,” changes type to one of their moves. Between them, all TMs can be learned.
    -Divene Region, very, very massive. Map is confusing.

    • Riser47

      These honestly seem like legit sounding rumors. I guess we will know if their lying by the end of the weekend.

    • Hikaruayame

      -164 Pokémon during the main game’s Pokédex. Total of 813. 3 secret, #810-813.

      PLAUSIBLE.
      This is kind of a surprise to me, as I was thinking they’d follow the pattern and have this gen only have ~100 Pokemon. However, they did say they’ve been working on this game for 7 years, so it is possible.

      -Pokémon #810, star of movie along with Genesect. Zzaxis, Psychic/Electric type, based on Higgs Boson. Special ability creates Trick Room.

      VERY UNLIKELY.
      …Based on Higgs Boson?! XD I’m sorry but this one seems a little too unbelievable. Plus, them showing off the third of the “Version mascot Trio” before they’ve milked the first two smacks me as strange.

      -Gym Leaders of Poison, Steel, Fighting, Ground.

      VERY PLAUSIBLE.
      If we follow the same pattern of 8 gym leaders out of 17 types, each type has about a 50/50 chance of blindly being picked. Fighting seems to crop up constantly, along with Rock/Ground, so I definitely wouldn’t be surprised.

      -Non-linear gameplay path differing by version. Begin in same town but follow different route to the end.

      PLAUSIBLE.
      Bit of an inconsistency with the terminology, since non-linear gameplay means there isn’t a ‘route’ to follow. I’ll assume they just meant that the two routes differ. Well, Black and White started us on the whole “areas different by version” thing, so this is the next logial step.

      -Major area, new Cycling Road. Based on Tour de France.

      UNLIKELY.
      Now, while this would be a fun idea, the problem is it’s too iconic. Although each region in Pokemon has been based in a real life region, they’ve carefully avoided any super noticeable icons. For instance, Unova didn’t have a Statue of Liberty. None of the previous gens had anything like, say, Hachiko. I’d put the Tour de France in the same ‘iconic’ category. lus, we don’t even know if we HAVE the bike, seeing as we saw roller blades in the trailer.

      -Villain team, “Team Helix.” Military themed. Leader is female, Colonel Zenia. Wish to capture Xerneas/Yveltal to make their Pokémon stronger to conquer region.

      POSSIBLE.
      Honestly, it would be a huge step forward for the Pokemon franchise as a whole to have a female leader. All of the teams in the main series have had male leaders, although they usually have a token female somewhere nearby. for instance, both Aqua and Magma were run by men, but they both had a female Admin.

      Zenia strikes me as a weird name, though. In addition to the ‘Z’, which I find suspicious, a Zenia is a bean plant with a pretty flower… the kind of name I’d expect of a Professor.

      Capturing Legendaries to make their own Pokemon stronger also seems a little off to me. If you’re after strength, why not use the legendaries themselves? Do they function as an amplifier for common Pokemon? That would be weird…

      -Professor is also female, Professor Yew. Dr. Eibe in Japanese. Very European in appearance.

      VERY UNLIKELY.
      Professor Juniper (Araragi) was named Yew in Japanese. The fact that they changed her name for English-speaking audiences tells me they don’t like the idea of the name, possible because it’s a homophone of ‘you’. Also, Eibe does in fact mean Yew… but in GERMAN. Araragi is the term in Japanese.

      -Xerneas, Normal type, found at Origin Tree. Yveltal, Flying type, found at Needle of the Sky. Both have ability, “Gene Donor,” changes type to one of their moves. Between them, all TMs can be learned.

      POSSIBLE.
      Honestly, I don’t believe it, but I’ve heard so many stinkin’ rumours about these two I can’t really disallow anything. “Origin Tree” simply smacks of Yggdrasil, but it’s defnitely possible the games will pull from that.

      -Divene Region, very, very massive. Map is confusing.

      UNLIKELY^……………………^PROBABLE.
      I can’t find anything European-based in the name Divene except for the closeness to Divine. I severely doubt they’d name a region something that close to that particular word on accident, so if it’s true then we’re looking at a bunch of mythology references coming our way… which I don’t think they’d do.

      As for a very, very massive region… well, they do have all that lovely capability in the 3DS they said they’d be using. As for a ‘confusing’ map, this kind of goes back to the ‘non-linear’ point up above. If they did in fact mean it’s non-linear gameplay, then I could definitely see that being confusing to long-time fans.

      For instance, imagine if all the HM blocks/storyline blocks in Kanto were gone. You could walk all the way to Fuchsia City without challenging a single Gym. The gyms themselves scaled to how many badges you had. So if you fought Erika first, her team would be something like 2 Lv. 12 Bellsprouts. Thinking this way, it would be easy to get confused, and Kanto’s not all that big. (I chose it because of our available regions it’s the least linear, IMO.) Confusing is a definite possibility. And (un)fortunately, we’re getting a simultaneous release, which means we won’t have all those helpful Japanese people who’ve already played the whole thing by the time we get it, so getting stuck is actually a genuine threat.

  • ”No new types, but there are “Cross-bred” Pokémon introduced. Certain father/mother breeding pairs will result in a visually distinct child, who will be the mother’s species, but will, for example, have a pattern reminiscent of its father or a slightly altered color scheme. This is basically the new Gender Difference and is simply an aesthetic bonus, nothing extreme and only certain pairings result in this…the Pokemon is still considered the species of its mother, it’s not a new species. One example I can give is that it is possible to get certain Pokemon sporting Pikachu’s red cheeks.” Sounds belivable. The Starters become Grass/Steel, Fire/Psychic, and Water/Electric. They’re inspired by various European-centric archetypes…Chespin becomes a knight with chestnut armor, Fennekin a wizard with a majestic fur cloak, and Froakie a Nordic Viking with a thunder-cloud mullet/beard combo. Not buying it. But sound awesome!Rock: A rock-based snail, its got a bell for a shell, and its body looks like a cathedral.
    Ground: An elephant whose body is covered in hardened mud-armor, more realistic looking than Donphan. The new slugma and Donphan.
    Villain team, “Team Helix.” Military themed. Leader is female, Colonel Zenia. Wish to capture Xerneas/Yveltal to make their Pokémon stronger to conquer region. DOES NOT FIT THE FRANCE THING! Pokémon #810, star of movie along with Genesect. Zzaxis, Psychic/Electric type, based on Higgs Boson. Special ability creates Trick Room. A bit early arnt we pokemon z mascot?

  • Ryuusei

    The rumors about Team Helix and the World Hobby Fair are a different person…and they contradict each other too.

  • SlimyDog

    Does anyone know that exceptional rumour that came from outside Japan but was actually true because I really want to see it. The more you know the better. It’s from this line:
    “In the past, 99% of information from non-Japanese sources proved to be fake (with one particularly famous exception) though we will not have the benefit of knowing that this time.”

    • Kriffix

      Basically, Melkor, owner of Spanish Pokémon fansite Pokéxperto claimed to somehow have a copy of black/white weeks before Japanese release. He then got a friend (I believe) to draw similar images to the ones in his game, revealing new Pokémon to us. I didn’t believe it for one second, it was all too fishy. I mean, why would some Spanish guy randomly have a Japanese copy of an unreleased game and be feeding info to sites like us?
      Though eventually he turned out to be telling the truth. Against all odds and logic.

      • Hikaruayame

        Didn’t he also list, like, the entire Pokedex? I seem to recall people not believing him because we didn’t have an early bird and bug on his list… which turned out to be exactly right, too.

        • Kriffix

          I didn’t believe him for one simple reason. There was no reason for a random Spanish Pokémon Fansite owner to have an unreleased Japanese copy of a game from a very secretive small developer in Japan. GameFreak stays small for a reason, to have utter control over their product. Even If I went back in time, I’d probably doubt him again.
          Shows what I know lol

          • Hikaruayame

            Yeah… I’d still be very curious to know how that “utter control” got cracked, but sadly it’s one of those little things us end-users never get to know about.

          • belmad

            But If I remember correctly, he started posting artworks with Purrloin, which is later shown by the Japanese program(don’t know its name) hours later and then he got his confirmation from the start.

  • Lasereon

    I think the starters sound legit, Im glad somone else noticed froakies clouds emmiting from his skin. I just hope they still look animalesque in the end.

    The freaking church snail just sounds like the perfect idea for a light type pkmn c’mon?! If that is true and we get this pokemon and its pure rock I will be muy dissapointed…

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  • MuhFugginMoose

    Honestly, a lot of these thoughts on these pokes can be dismissed. The entire game is based off of a European environment, hence the Eiffel tower-esk building in the trailer.
    The Legendaries are possibly based off of Nordic Mythology and the watchers over each realm, The Eagle of Asgard, The 4 stags of Midgard, and the Serpent of Niflheim. And each game coincides with it’s game, the Y axis, pretty straight forward, the X axis, simple enough, and the Z axis, depth. With the journey into the 3rd dimension it makes more sense than genetic structure. With the EAgle being YVeltal, the FOUR stags being Xerneas, and his set of 4 antlers on each side of his head, and the final serpentine creature that will be Z, it almost makes too much sense.
    Look up the story of Yggdrasil. It all just meshes together so smoothly.
    As for typings that’s still yet to be known and only to be speculated. I’d like to see a fire/dark legendary, however that encourage levitate, and yea, that’s not happening on a legendary. Xerneas has too many possibilities. However, get the whole gene idea out of your head. Just because there was no 3rd gen V game doesn’t mean there won’t be one when it comes to the VI. Well that’s all I wanted to say, hopefully I changed a few minds, my point either way is, don’t believe any of this shit. Chances are it’s fake.

    • MuhFugginMoose

      Each poke coincides with its game* T_T

  • 90skid

    Well just saw a pic of a new Pokemon off pokebeach.com. Seems like there is some truth to these rumors. It looks to me to be a white poodle looking Pokemon !!